Fw: Fw: Fw: Mithras
Brian Dean bridean@worldnet.att.net
Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:38 -0500 (00887778938, 19980217230558.AAA29123@briandea)
>> RON (mimicking Ricardo)
>> That most of humanity in the twentieth century thought that
>> science held all the answers to ultimate questions is understandable. I could
>> have reached the same conclusion. But they were wrong.
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>RICARDO
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>This doesn't work. We know that they were wrong but you don't know
>that we are wrong (except if you just made a quick trip to the
>future). What do we have then?:
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>- You say that my position is understandable. Thanks.
>- You have no evidence that my position is wrong.
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>I would say that you just acknowledged that my position is very
>reasonable. Thanks.
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>RON
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>> No matter. Many people today believe that science can explain the
>> ultimate reason for everything.
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>RICARDO
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>That's not exactly what I said. What I said is that there doesn't seem
>to be reasons to conclude that there must be an ultimate reason at all. I
>*hope* that science can produce a completely unified theory, but if
>that doesn't happen, well, that's life. Why should we expect otherwise?. We
>are just human beings.
*sniped by BRIDEAN*
RON
OK Ricardo, let's get to the point. It is not a matter of whether people
"believed" in revelation. It is a matter of whether they EXPERIENCED it.
You have no evidence that God has not been revealing Himself to people
throughout history. You simply choose to disbelieve it based on
preconceived notions or because you fear the cosequences. Come on! Do
you seriously expect me to believe you have no doubts about your faith?
It is not relevent whether I "believe" ultimate reasons are necessary.
Don't you get it? Belief does not create reality. What matters is what
IS. In the long term it doesn't matter whether either one of us has the
ingenuity to prove his point in argument. What matters is what is true.
Ultimately THAT is what will effect us if I am correct, or have no
effect if, as you suggest, there is no ultimate reason to the universe.
Read the writings of theists. For centuries they have been describing
their encounters with God. Their experience is overwhelming evidence.
Far more people have experienced God than have experienced "relativity".
That is evidence by observation. Repeated numerous times. But do you
CHOOSE to dismiss that evidence? I think you will dismiss it out of
hand. Why? You are arguing based on lack of experience. How can that
compete with my experience? Unfortunately, by the time you experience
God it may be too late. Why don't you open your mind and heart to the
POSSIBILITY that God exists. If He doesn't you will lose nothing. If He
does you will gain everything.
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