Claire to Farrell Till

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CLAIRE

> If that is the rule for me, then why not tell the atheists that they

> should refrain from posting (for example) theories that various pagan

> myths were rewritten as stories about Jesus? In order to post these

> theories, and interpret the passages in light of them, one would have to

> refer to the pagan myths, or discussions about pagan myths.  Where in

> the NT do the writers announce that they are about to rework some pagan

> myth? It's not in the "plain meaning of the text!"

> 


BRIDEAN
Personally, I don't care if you post the Catholic position.  The rightful skeptic
reply is "Why should we accept the Catholic position?".  You are within your
rights to ask "Why should I accept pagan theorys?" as well.  At least the
atheist says why pagan theorys are likely FOR HIM.  I understand that
you have also posted the reasons why the Catholic "explanation" is likely
for you, but your explanations  with MY responses are
1) I believe the Catholic church because there are new things about the
   Catholic faith that I like that I recently discovered after talking to Fr. so-and-so.
A1) I too was in the same boat you are in now.  However, did you know that
      the Catholic church says that you MUST believe in EVERYTHING THAT
      THE BIBLE ASSERTS TO BE TRUE?  Therefore, many of the contradictions
      that you would normally dismiss as having nothing to do with faith, morals,
      or salvation MUST BE EXPLAINED.
      Having said that, I agree with most skeptics here that just because you don't
      fully understand something does not mean that you shouldn't reject it.
      Otherwise we would have to spend enormous amounts of time trying to
      understand all of the religions of the world because we certainly don't want
      to fall into the trap of rejecting something we don't understand.  
      So, let me ask you, do you understand the cargo cults of South America?

Are there any more reasons that you claimed to be Catholic (I can't think of
any)?  Also, if I misrepresented your position, please clarify your position
for me and explain based on that why Catholicism is different from that
perspective than say Aborigine (sp?) Animism.


> CLAIRE (in reference to the proposal to split the list into subsections)

> 

> One subsection should be entitled "All Christians are Stupid"

> [xianstupd@infidels.org]. Another could be: "The Roman Catholic Church -

> the Focus of Evil in Past and Present" [rcbad@infidels.org]. 


BRIDEAN
1) A more accurate statement from a skeptic would be, "From what I have
    observed, I have not seen an intelligent Christian defense of the Christian
    faith."
2) Even the Roman Catholic Church admits to doing wrong in the past so
    I don't see what your point with "...Focus of Evil in Past and Present"
    is.  It seems to me that if the Catholic Church says that it has done
    wrong in the past, then you as a good Catholic should agree with it
    because the church says so.  Or do you pick and choose what parts of
    church teaching you believe just like a "cafeteria-style Catholic" would?



>These topics seem to be of great interest to some people on this list. I am

> sure that others can come up with more.


BRIDEAN
How about, "All we want to do is make fun of Christians without going through
the pains of making rational arguments or pointing out Bible contradictions"
christfun@infidels.org.
 

> 

> TILL

> How about coming up with "the Bible is the inerrant word of God" so that

> we can discuss this?  I didn't set up this list to discuss what

> Catholics believe.  Please try to focus on the claim that the Bible is

> inerrant.

> 

> 

> CLAIRE (new)

> You're right, this list isn't set up to discuss what Catholics believe.

> It is set up for atheists to discuss what atheists believe.  I

> understand that atheists are allowed to post accusations against the

> Catholic Church, Mother Teresa, etc., but Christians have to "stick to

> Bible errancy". It seems a bit one-sided to me, but I realize that life

> isn't fair.


BRIDEAN
Actually, I agree with Claire here.  If Till wants to force the list to focus on 
Bible errancy then he should complain about people making fun of Mother
Theresa AS WELL AS people who merely post what the Catholic church
says.  Actually, Till should complain about this particular post by me as
well because I do not address Bible errancy/inerrancy anywhere in this
entire post.  Be consistent Till!

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