Spiritual Bodies
Farrell Till jftill@midwest.net
Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:55:47 -0800 (00886823747, 2.2.32.19980206215547.006e7e8c@midwest.net)
vanhoose wrote:
>
> Farrell Till wrote:
> >
> > At 06:22 PM 2/5/98 -0500, vanhoose wrote:
> > >Farrell Till wrote:
>
> > >> TILL
> > >> Hmmm, this is a curious view. Since Christians believe that all
people have
> > >> "spirits," which survive their death, then wouldn't it be true that
> > >> Christians believe that we all have "spiritual bodies"? What then
will this
> > >> resurrection be when we are given "spiritual bodies"? Aren't you just
> > >> saying that we will be given what we already have?
> >
> > >PAT
> > > ! Corinthians 15:20-23 " But Christ has indeed been raised from the
> > >dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. for since death
> > >came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes through a man.
> > >for as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each
> > >of us in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits, then, when he comes
> > >those who belong to him."
> >
> > TILL
> > Besides the fact that this is a flagrant fallacy of the appeal to authority,
> > I don't see anything in this "authority" that answers my question. I asked
> > what this resurrection will be when we are given "spiritual bodies," and all
> > that you have done is quote a scripture that says each of us will be
> > resurrected when Christ comes. I was well aware of this scripture, but I
> > see nothing in it that answers the question about your assertion. If we
> > already have spirits that survive when we die AND if the resurrection is
> > just going to be a "spiritual" resurrection, then what exactly is the
> > resurrection going to be?
>
> The passage is not saying that it will just be a spiritual
> resurrection. As you pointed out, Christians believe that men have
> spirits. That is the part that remains after death. As I said,
> Christians also believe that we will receive a resurrected body to go
> with that spirit at the time of the second coming. The resurrected body
> will be similar to Christ's resurrected body, since He is the
> "firstfruits". He is the one who offers proof of what the resurrected
> body will be. See also 1 Cor. 15:50-56
> >
> > PAT
> > >Christians believe that they will receive a resurrected body at the second
> > coming >of Christ.
> >
> > TILL
> > Yes, yes, yes, we all know that this is what Christians believe, but since
> > when does "what Christians believe" prove anything? Is anything proven by
> > what Mormons believe?
>
> PAT
> I haven't seen any proof that the Nephites ever lived in North
> America.
TILL
And I haven't seen any proof that Jesus ever lived. With this posting, I
will be sending a four-part article on the historicity of Jesus that Michael
Fisher sent to the list. It bounced to me because of its length, so I have
divided it into four parts so that Errancy will receive it. Please read it
and then tell us why this Jewish writer does not give good reasons to be
suspicious of the NT claim that Jesus was an actual historical person.
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net