Bible Study (Vanhoose)

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> > > > > IAN

> > > > > Dear Pat,

> > > > > James Thompson's post below is the type of post that causes

> > > > > me to have a very short fuse with most Christians. I know there

> > > > > are good Christians, my neighbor across the road is one as are

> > > > >  the people who run the computer shop in town, Unfortunately,

> > > > > those are the only ones I know of for sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > It took an effort not to cuss him out and I was sorely tempted

but

> > > > > since I already goofed up with you once, I controlled my

gunfighters

> > > > > instinct.

> > > > >

> > > > > You do come highly recommended.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ian,

> > > >    The reason I asked you about the main message of the Bible, is

> > > > because I believe that it is not a book written by human beings,

but a

> > > > revelation from God.  I am aware that many other religious writings

> > > > claim the same thing.  At this point, I think that the only thing

to

> > > > consider is that the Bible itself  is claiming that it is

revelation.

> > > > That is the entire viewpoint of the book.  Not only that, but it is

an

> > > > ongoing revelation from Gensis to Revelation, culminating in the

coming

> > > > of Jesus.

> > > >    So in Genesis we have the beginning of that revelation, but we

don't

> > > > have the full picture.  I think that it helps to have a broad

overview

> > > > of the entire scope of it.  Then you can zero in on specifics. 

That was

> > > > my suggestion.  But if you object to that, then where do you want

to

> > > > start?

> > > >

> > > > Pat

> > > >

> > > Dear Pat,

> > > This is why I asked you to tell me a little about yourself and why I

asked

> > > you to tell me something about yourself. You believe it is a book

written

> > > by human beings, but a revelation from God. Others believe it is the

> > > inerrant word of God. This is an errancy list. If the Bible is open

to

> > > interpretation, whose interpretation do we accept? Which Bible do you

use?

> > > Do you believe the creation story or evolution or something else?

Maybe you

> > > don't care.

> > 

> > Dear Ian,

> >    I've got a lot of errands to run this morning, so I'll have to

finish

> > this later.  Have you looked at the Chicago Statement on Bible

> > Inerrancy?  That would give you a good idea of where Evangelicals stand

> > on the idea of the Bible being inerrant.

> >    Basically, I believe that the Bible was written by men ( I don't

> > think that God moved the pen Himself) through the inspiration of God.

> > The term used in the New Testament is "God-breathed".  It is only used

> > one time to describe the scriptures.

> >    I agree that people have interpreted the Bible in different ways.

> > That is why I gave the example about Mormons baptizing for the dead.

> > But I think that a lot of that is caused by taking things out of

context

> > and not using correct methods for interpreting.  In other words, you

> > have to play by the rules, or make them up to suit your own purposes.

> > Is God responsible if people misuse His word?

> >    What Bible do I use?  Well, I have a number of different

> > translations.  I have been told that the American Standard Version is

> > probably the closest translation to a word for word, or exact wording

> > translation.  Some of my Bibles are NIV, which is easy for a modern

> > English understanding.  Unlike some of my friends, I don't really enjoy

> > reading the King James and I know that it is not the most accurate

> > translation anyway.

> >    What do I think about the creation story vs. evolution?  I don't

> > think that the creation story was written to be a science manual.  The

> > overall theme of the creation story is that God was the creator "ex

> > nihilo" - out of nothing, and I do agree with that.  Lately, I have

been

> > looking at Hugh Ross's website on scientific support for the Bible.  I

> > have several of his books, but just haven't had time to wade through

> > them.. Maybe next summer when I'm not teaching.

> > 

> > Pat


IAN
We seem to be spending more time argueing about where to start than 
anything else. The first thing I would like to determine if this Bible is
the 
inerrant Word of God or if it is even Inspired by God. Somehow you have 
already been convinced that this is not the inerrant Word of God but that 
it is Inspired by God. Someone has convinced you of this by the same 
method you wish to try on me. At any rate, I am not going to bend on this 
point. I think we do agree that much of the Old Testament is myth. If you 
believe that the creation story, talking snakes and talking asses, 5 1/2 
mile high floods, an eighty-nine year old woman being taken by a king 
to be Abe's virgin sister, a ninety year old woman giving birth, men living

hundreds of years, ad infinum are just some absurd myths, then why would 
you accept as fact that a man rose from the dead after being three days 
in a tomb?

Who are you to say that all these miracles (myths) of the OT are absurd but

the miracles of Jesus are not? And what makes you so sure that the Mormons 
baptising their dead is so wrong? 

No I am not familiar with the Chicago statement of Bible inerrancy.

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