30 pieces of silver
JAlw@aol.com JAlw@aol.com
Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:05:56 EST (00915069956, 12b7a2b1.368a87a4@aol.com)
In a message dated 98-12-30 06:23:53 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: 30 pieces of silver
Date: 98-12-30 06:23:53 EST
From: thebachs@fgi.net (eric/cindy bach)
Sender: owner-errancy@infidels.org
To: errancy@infidels.org
Happy 1999, Joe.
>snip previous
>Joe Alward writes:
>Even that "explanation" won't cut it; the ONLY place in the Old Testament
>where anybody pays silver for a field is in Jeremiah 32:8-9. How could
anybody--even an inerrantist--believe that Matthew's mention of Jeremiah is
>just an amazing coincidence?
>What happened, I suspect, is that Matthew--or Matthew's source--remembered
two
>different stories from two different authors with names which sounded
alike, and blended them into one....>snip a lot< ........read Hebrew?
from Bach
Perhaps, maybe, probably, could have been, what if, how about the
possibility that............
You continually either want to overlook or forget the obvious, Joe......that
all of this stuff was supposedly written by men who had God breathing every
word into their ears as they wrote. "Inspired" is what inerrantists say
about the bible.
You are treating these authors like human historians with your apologetic
explanations. Human historians could and would make the kind of
errors/omissions, mistakes, vagueries etc. that you cite, Joe, yes!
You forget that YWHW is said to have helped them write all of this. Any
mistakes they made were mistakes that YWHW must have made......the same YWHW
who said HE was incapable of making mistakes.
You have been seriously studying the bible for over a year now, and all of
us who are a bit more experienced are seeing that you are becoming a better
errantist than you used to be. You still don't seem to understand that the
bible is all superstition and myth created by people who had their own
agendas. There was no real author named Matthew. Mark, Luke, or even John.
There wasn't even a Peter or a Paul, for that matter, in regard to the way
these writings have been transmitted. Thanks to computers, "ink" and "paper"
are being conserved. Time is still being lost, however, in refuting many of
your arguments......arguments that ignore that the bible is supposed to be
the actual word of God almighty himself.
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Joe Alward:
You must have misread my post about Jeremiah. I wasn't presenting an
apologetic; Matthew was almost certainly errant. I discussed this a greater
length in an article I wrote about seven months ago
(http://members.aol.com/jalw/potters_field_prophecy.html)
In describing how Matthew might have been misled, I wasn't suggesting a way to
remove an obvious error, I was merely speculating about how uninspired--but
well-intentioned--Jesus lovers could have gotten the story wrong. (Jason
Filley just sent a post giving an apocrypha reference which apologists could
use--but wouldn't dare--to support the inerrancy of the bible; I consider that
explanation just as plausible as the one I've suggested. Mine has zero
evidence to back it up, though.)
I don't know how you could think that I don't know that God is supposed to
have inspired all of the verses; I've made that point emphatically many times
on this list, as recently as three days ago when I rebutted another member's
contention that the only way for Mark to have known that the sun had risen was
for him--or someone else--to have actually seen it come up over the horizon.
I responded that since every word in the bible comes from the lips of God, it
was obvious that God had told Mark that the sun had risen.
If you were to read some of the more than forty articles I've written on
errancy (90% arguing FOR errancy), you would see clearly that I do, indeed,
know that most of the bible is myth; the most important book on my shelf is
the one by T. W. Doane, "Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Ancient
Religions". This is a must-read by every member of this list, in my opinion.
It should be read even before Joseph Wheless' books.
In case you don't know my home page address, it's
http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html
I don't know where you get your ideas about me, but they make for interesting
reading.