At What Time Did the Women Visit the Tomb?

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> >Ray:

> >No way can: 

> >"at the rising of the sun" (16:2, KJV);

> >"when the sun had risen" (NRSV); and

> >"just after sunrise" (NIV)

> >

> >be reasonably harmonized with:

> >"when it was yet dark" (John)

> >

> >Considering there must have been a near full moon, even

> >the night wasn't terribly dark. 


BRYCE
     I'm willing to risk looking stupid.  How can we know that the
moon was nearly full on the morning of the resurrection?  Even if we
could say that it occurred on such and such a day,  it is impossible
to merely calculate where the moon's current orbit would have placed
it two thousand years ago (I base this dogmatic assertion on an
article I vaguely remember reading once that said chaos theory made
any extrapolations of planetary orbits beyond about 400 years
completely meaningless).  

     ::hits forehead so hard he leaves a mark::

     Okay, after writing all that gobbledygook, I remembered that the
Jews used a lunar calendar, and the crucifixion was supposed to have
occurred on Nisan 14 or 15,  which would have been a full moon.  I
hereby humbly rescind my question,  and submit myself to whatever
floggings are deemed appropriate.


RAY?
But it is far from dark

> >any time from "when the sun was rising" to "just after

> >sunrise". I have checked out the brightness of the day

> >from well before sunrise at my latitude (San Diego Ca.),

> >which is near that of Jerusalem, at near Easter and can

> >assure you that it is very light well before the sun

> >shows up.

> >

> >No way would anyone describe it as "dark" for at least

> >a half hour before sunrise and certainly not "when a

> >sliver of sun was above the horizon".

> 

> Chief:

> Hmmm...You make a good point...How about the common

> claim that the women started their journey "when it was

> yet dark"?  It seems to stretch it quite a bit.  I don't

> think any better analysis could come from it without

> knowing anything about standard sentence structure in

> Greek.

> 

> Ray:

> The quotes totally close out such a claim. Mark says: "when the sun

had

> risen, they went to the tomb (NRSV). It doesn't say they got there

then.

> It says they went to the tomb. John says: "while it was still dark,

Mary

> Magdalene came to the tomb". It doesn't say she was going to the tomb,

> it says she came to the tomb. Mark has them going after the sun had

> risen. Even if you push it to as the sun was rising it is still far

from

> "still dark" and John has her at the tomb while it was still dark.

Mark

> has them saying nothing to anyone and John has M. M. running to Peter

> and the others and blabbing everything. How can anyone even imagine

> these stories are compatible?

> 

> Regards, Ray

> 


BRYCE

     Imagine the stories are compatible?  SURE I can!!!

<tongue firmly in cheek>  

     All we need to do is hypothesize that, somewhere in the world, 
volcanoes were going off like firecrackers,  spewing opaque dust into
the atmosphere.  Once we understand these circumstances,  we realize
that it could have been totally dark even long after sunrise.

     Of course,  some of you skepic/doubter/heathens will whine, "But
there's no record of any volcanic activity anywhere in the world at
the time of Christ's death."  But isn't there?

Open your Book of Mormons (Books of Mormon?) to 3 Nephi, Chapter 8,
and you will read:

5 And it came to pass in the thirty and fourth year, in the first
month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm, such
an one as never had been known in all the land.
6 And there was also a great and terrible tempest; and there was
terrible thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth as if it
was about to divide asunder.
7 And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been
known in all the land.
8 And the city of Zarahemla did take fire.
9 And the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea, and the
inhabitants thereof were drowned.
10 And the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah, that in
the place of the city there became a great mountain.
11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward.
12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the
land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed,
because of the tempest and the whirlwinds, and the thunderings and the
lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth;

     The geological carnage continues for another ten verses,
including a darkness so thick that a fire lit directly in front of a
person's face couldn't be seen.  There is only one possible
conclusion:  the face of the land was covered by thick volcanic ash. 
Is it too far a stretch to think that, perhaps, some of this thick ash
would have wafted to the other side of the earth?  No, of course it
isn't.  I have not only given a reasonable hypothesis, but I have
cited contemporary historical records which support my conclusions.  

     Now it is up to the readers of this list to accept the truth, be
baptized into the LDS Church, and forward me 10% of every paycheck,
which I promise to deliver to the Church Office Building.

</tongue firmly in cheek>

==
Bryce Anderson
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Thus spake Nostradamus:  "Two nations shall go to war.  One shall lose."  What a remarkable prediction of the Spanish-American War!

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