The Only Consistent World View

AkelDama58 AkelDama58@aol.com
Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:53:21 EST (00891654801, 13628cec.35253e33@aol.com) 

Till
I can't understand why religionists cannot see that atheism is really the
only logically consistent world view (to use a popular theistic term).

Padro
There is a problem to this worldview of atheism.   You cannot explain the lack
of God existing.   The problems you proposed aren't inconsistent, rather they
are unfavorable.   You question the right that God has to do as He wills with
our lives, tell me, when was the last time you painted a painted a picture?
Did that painting question you on how you painted it?(Rom 9:14-24)   Of course
not, that is absurd!   So how can we, granted that God does exist, question
the one who created us.   
I find no reason that I am bound to any "burden of proof" until someone can
give me a logical reason why I must believe that there is a reason to prove
anything.   The "burden of proof" doesn't begin until there is reason for me
to believe that God might not exist.   Until then, I don't feel the burden
because it is already evident to me why God exists.
Atheist's have the "burden of proof" just as much as they claim a Christian to
have, rather it is for them to prove that God doesn't exist.

Till
The acceptance of an indifferent universe that operates solely by unconscious
natural laws will explain why tragedies strike some but not others.

Padro
Is this how you account for racism, rape, euthanasia, the holocaust?   If that
is the case, how can you even account for anything being right or wrong?   How
can you justify anything?
At least from a Christian wolrdview, there is an explanation to why things
happen, maybe not 100% desireable by our discretion, but who are we (the
imperfect) in comparison to a Perfect Creator's omniscience.

Till
On the other hand, an atheistic "world view" can explain any tragedy like this
in perfectly logical terms.  The two firing the guns were able to get off only
so many rounds, and each round that was fired followed a trajectory that was
determined by the angle of the guns when they were fired.  In a crowd of
people when incidents like this happen, some will by sheer indifferent
circumstances be in the line of fire and others will be out of it.  So who
died and who survived was determined only by the indifferent laws of
physics.  The same "world view" will explain why some die in tornadoes and
some don't, why some are injured and some aren't, why some homes are
destroyed and some aren't, etc.

Padro
This is not by any means an athiestic explanation to a lack of existence of
God.   This is an atheistic attempt to disprove God, through mathematical
means that was created by God.   It proves he does exist, for without order,
there would be no way for an atheist to explaining how this happened.   
Explain the existence of order and logic, how did it come to exist without any
order or logic to create it.   Everything has a creator, except the first of
the line.   Something has to start the chain reaction for a chain reaction to
exist.

Till
A theistic "world view," on the other hand, can explain none of this without
resorts to argumentation that makes their god logically inconsistent.

Padro
I would beg to differ.   I would use the same explanation as you mentioned
earlier, as to why it happened instead another way, you cannot explain.   Tell
me Till, why couldn't it happen any other way, or should I say, why didn't it
happen any other way?   Why did the shootings happen in the first place, can
your atheistic worldview explain that?   Since your whole foundation is
supposedly based on logical explanations, please explain.

The problem with a theistic worldview is that many wish to deny it's
possibility of holding truth because it conflicts with their own worldview,
their own freedoms that would create conflict if decided to accept the
theistic worldview.   I don't doubt it possible that I have miss understood an
atheistic worldview, But at this point, I seriously doubt it.

padro