(Ron) God & Absolute Monarchs
Helen Willis hhiwater@BRIGHT.NET
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:22:33 -0700 (00906085353, 36017D99.F46@bright.net)
bridean wrote:
>
> > >> > RON
> > >> > You are right Till, He IS an absolute monarch. This ain't no
> > >> > democracy! That's exactly the illusion though, that you atheists
> > are
> > >> > trying to perpetuate. Once the self that wants so badly to control
> > >> > reality (like a crying baby) meets up with its true self it ceases
> > to
> > >> > exist.
> > >> > The only Christian lurkers that you will disillusion are the ones
> > >> > holding to an illusory, worldly image of God. Once this idol is
> > thrown
> > >> > to the ground they have nothing left. Once they realize that God is
> > not
> > >> > bound by their man-made philosophical categories, assumptions and
> > >> > requirements it won't matter if you shatter them. You'll only be
> > doing
> > >> > them a big favor!
> > >>
> > >> HELEN:
> > >> So you're saying that the idea that God is good is an illusion?
> > >> Helen
> > >> hhiwater@bright.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > RON
> > I'm saying that good is not based on your limited human perspective,
> > but is determined by God from his infinite eternal perspective in which
> > life and death are mere blips on the scale of eternity.
>
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> Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Ron) God & Absolute Monarchs]
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:13:21 PDT
> From: "Ron Criss" <roncriss@hotmail.com>
> To: bdean@osu-btc.com
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> >> > >TILL
> >> > >The same could be said of an absolute monarch or a tyrannical
> dictator.
> >> > He
> >> > >could tell his subjects not to kill another human, but then he
> could
> >> > >destroy
> >> > >as many of them as he wanted to. Would he be moral according to
> the
> >> > >standard that he has required of his subjects?
> >> > >
> >> > >To all skeptics on the list: Let's try to keep this thread going
> as
> >> > long as
> >> > >we can. I have found that this one subject turns the stomachs of
> more
> >> > >Christian lurkers on internet lists than any other. After just so
> long
> >> > of
> >> > >seeing biblicists defend the murderous actions of their god
> Yahweh,
> >> > some
> >> > >Christians get enough of it and actually start questioning their
> >> > religion.
> >> > >
> >> > >Farrell Till
> >> > >Skepticism, Inc.
> >> > >jftill@midwest.net
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > RON
> >> > You are right Till, He IS an absolute monarch. This ain't no
> >> > democracy! That's exactly the illusion though, that you atheists
> are
> >> > trying to perpetuate. Once the self that wants so badly to control
> >> > reality (like a crying baby) meets up with its true self it ceases
> to
> >> > exist.
> >> > The only Christian lurkers that you will disillusion are the ones
> >> > holding to an illusory, worldly image of God. Once this idol is
> thrown
> >> > to the ground they have nothing left. Once they realize that God is
> not
> >> > bound by their man-made philosophical categories, assumptions and
> >> > requirements it won't matter if you shatter them. You'll only be
> doing
> >> > them a big favor!
> >>
> >> HELEN:
> >> So you're saying that the idea that God is good is an illusion?
> >> Helen
> >> hhiwater@bright.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> RON
> I'm saying that good is not based on your limited human perspective,
> but is determined by God from his infinite eternal perspective in which
> life and death are mere blips on the scale of eternity.
HELEN:
And how then does human and other critters' suffering rate on the scale of
eternity? Does a God that doesn't care if we live or die care about the child
covered in painful tumors because she got the AIDS virus from her mother? Or
worse yet from a child rapist? Does your god comfort her? What if she is not
a Christian? What if she rejects Christianity because it was a priest that
raped her? Will she burn in Hell for eternity for her blasphemy? Does
watching the souls in Hell please your God? Does the child crying in pain
please your God? Or is her pain also just a blip on the scale of eternity?
Helen
hhiwater@bright.net