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BTW, just so you don't misunderstand Ron.... I kill the animals I eat, I
buried my grandad a few months back, and I am quite acutely aware of death
as an aspect of reality... the "we" you refer to certainly does not include me. 

>RON

>  Well, I can at least appreciate your view. The reality of the violence 

>of creation is something we try to force from our consciousness. Even 

>Christians do this for the most part. But for many, probably most of the 

>people in the world who suffer form hunger and war this aspect of 

>reality is ever present. We deaden our consciousness with TV and 

>overconsumption. When people die we paint them and dress them up as if 

>they are alive and shove them in a hole ASAP so we don't have to face 

>the reality. If we saw the killing of the animals we eat every day we 

>would freak! People who are unaware of death make better consumers!

>  Part of this failure to come to terms with reality, I believe, is our 

>failure to see things from God's POV. He is conscious of and experiences 

>it all Himself. I don't pretend to understand it all. I think the Hindu 

>religion has grasped some of this reality in their concept of the god 

>Shiva, the Destroyer. To them God possesses the attributes of 

>Creator/Sustainer/Destroyer. It's just Reality! You have three options 

>really: a God who is evil; a universe with NO purpose (and no God); a 

>God who has created the world to be this way for His inscrutible (at 

>least for now) purpose. Our perspective is subjective, but reality 

>isn't.   

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