Adnan's response

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Steve Stokes

>The very act of existence necessitates time. If you have a omnimax god

>existing then the 'clock' must be running. Time is not a 'thing' subject to

>creation.


Adnan:
A theist would say something like this: time that we measure depends on the
velocity of the light. Light is the energy lumped together into small
particles called photons, which travel with a very high velocity (300,000
km/sec). There is no material body that can travel at this speed. It is the
limit for material motion in our universe. Now, theists claim that God is a
non-martial, so they will claim that the time does not apply to God.

Time is measured by an observer who is stationary to an event; that is he
moves with the same velocity as the event and in the same direction. If an
event took place on earth and we recorded the time when it happened, and
the time it took to happen, then this recorded time is the time measured by
the observer (us), who is moving in the same velocity and direction of the
event since both, we and the event, are on earth.

Time depends on the velocity of light. The observers registers the event
when he sees it. That is when light reaches him. If he is moving away from
you with accelerating velocity, the light reflected from you will take
longer and longer to reach him as he is moving away. He will not see the
even that occurs at your spot until after a period of time. The period
becomes longer and longer as he moves away because the light will take
longer to reach him. For the observer who is moving with high velocity past
the earth, the time when it happened, and the time it took to happen, would
be different from those registered by the
stationary observer on earth. 

Suppose that twins are born, and at the moment of their birth one is left
on the earth and the other one is put on a spaceship that travels with
accelerated velocity. After one year (time on earth) the space ship comes
back to earth. Will the twin be of the same age? No. When the spaceship
leaves the earth, the earth does not stay in its position in space since it
is moving like all other planets (and Sun) are moving. What we have then is
that earth and the spaceship met at position A, then separated, then met at
position B. But since time
depends on the observer, and it is not correct to specify position only,
one must specify position at a given time, then what we should say is that
the spaceship and earth met at position A at certain time, then at position
B at another time. That is to say, they met at event A, then again at even
B, on the space time coordination. 

The quantum theory tells us that time and space are one thing, and how much
you feel of each of them depends on your speed of motion compared to that
of light. If you move with a velocity higher than that of light, you will
be able to see the future and the past. This is simple because the future
is future because the light has not reached from it to you yet, so you
still don't know about it, and the past is past because the light from it
already reached you and you have already known it. If you can travel faster
then light, you can go ahead in time to see the events happening in the
future. You don't have to wait for it (to
come to you), so in effect you can see the future compared to you previous
situation. Similarly, you can go back in time to see the past as the events
are stored in a queue in time after they have happened. Either you are
still and events are passing you (that is time is passing you) when your
velocity is lower than that of time, or events are queuing and you are
passing them backward and forward when your velocity is higher than that of
light. 

The whole of the above happens if the universe is there. If universe was
not there (as a theist believes) then there is no such thing as time. 

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