A Fallacious Tear-Jerking Scenario

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TILL
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Even the suffering angle is fallacious.  If Jesus was himself God, then
he
too was omniscient and omnipotent, so he had nothing to fear during his
trial and crucifixion, because he knew that he wasn't really going to
die.
If he had all power, then he could have anesthetized himself so that he
wouldn't feel anything, so if he suffered any pain, it was his own
fault.
Furthermore, how could a preacher know that "pain" would be the same to
a
god, whose ways are always higher than man's ways?

This whole tear-jerking scenario is too ridiculous for words.

MATT

I could not hold off responding to this post by you any longer Till :)
What
is ridiculous is your complete misunderstanding of what is claimed
happened
to Christ on the cross, and what the sufferings of Christ involved.
Suggest
you learn what Christians believe this was as you obviously do not have
a
clue based on your above comment. Once you have educated yourself on
this
perhaps you would consider retracting the last line of your above post
as
being down to your ignorance of Christianity rather than a true
representation of the same.

GINGER
This "you don't know because you're not a Christian" line 
is beginning to wear very thin, Mr. Bell.  According to you, 
the atheists on this list don't know what inspiration is, or 
what the sufferings of Christ involved -- or much of anything 
else about Christianity, for that matter.  

May I remind you that Mr. Till spent many years as an ordained 
minister?   And many of the atheists on this list (myself included) were 
once firm Christian believers.   So who are you to tell us that we 
don't know what Christians believe?  

Your arrogance does you no credit, and tends to further undercut 
your already pitifully weak and strained arguments.   

MATT
Please note my correction and amendment to reflect what I should have
said
on this. That Till spent 'many years as an ordained minister' makes him
comments all the more ridiculous as they reflect a shallow understanding
of
the biblical teaching on what allegedly occurred in the sufferings of
Christ. I made no mention of any other persons need to learn what
Christians believe (now amended) except to Till, so I am not telling
everyone that they don't know what Christians believe but Till, and then
so
far, with regard only to his comments on the sufferings of Christ. As
for
arrogance well u need go no further than this list to find that in
abundance, and credit I am not seeking. In conclusion, my 'pitifully
weak
and strained arguments' u r of course free to ignore and/or delete. 

WASHBURN
Arguments?  What arguments?  You've done nothing but ASSERT that Farrell
doesn't understand how Jesus suffered on the cross.  Perhaps you would
be so kind as to EXPLAIN it to him, and me, too.  Thanks in advance.

Jim Washburn

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