A Fallacious Tear-Jerking Scenario

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TILL

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Even the suffering angle is fallacious.  If Jesus was himself God, then he
too was omniscient and omnipotent, so he had nothing to fear during his
trial and crucifixion, because he knew that he wasn't really going to die.
 If he had all power, then he could have anesthetized himself so that he
 wouldn't feel anything, so if he suffered any pain, it was his own fault.
 Furthermore, how could a preacher know that "pain" would be the same to a
 god, whose ways are always higher than man's ways?

This whole tear-jerking scenario is too ridiculous for words.

MATT
I could not hold off responding to this post by you any longer Till :) What
 is ridiculous is your complete misunderstanding of what is claimed
happened
 to Christ on the cross, and what the sufferings of Christ involved.
Suggest
 you learn what Christians believe this was as you obviously do not have a
 clue based on your above comment. Once you have educated yourself on this
perhaps you would consider retracting the last line of your above post as
 being down to your ignorance of Christianity rather than a true
 representation of the same.

Martin-
Hi Matt!  No trick questions here, just a few clarification requests.

:)  I thought that we are only to follow the bible, but are you saying

that we should "learn what Christians believe" before making our own
judgements?  Why should we do this?  Where did the previous Christians
get their knowledge?

Till's argument seems valid to me.  Couldn't an omni-max (sounds like a
movie theatre stereo term) god could control all suffering, including
his own?

MATT
I should rephrase 'learn what Christian believe' to 'what the Biblical
teaching is'  (force of habit equating the two), thanku for the correction

:) The key element missing from Till's point is that Christ was fully human

and fully divine, but more importantly that there was spiritual aswell as
physical suffering involved in the events of the cross. What an omni-max
could/can do and what he 
did/does do are two different things.

Thanks

Matt

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