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Re: Then Augustine is guilty of ignoring and adding
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Posted by Mark Mastrorilli on September 06, 1997 at 18:36:05:
In Reply to: Then Augustine is guilty of ignoring and adding posted by
Tod Billings on September 05, 1997 at 17:11:21:
> If he didn't imply Mary went to the tomb twice, he is ignoring a
detail. Okay, according to John she went to the tomb twice.
> The first time it was empty, and no angel greeted her. She went
back, and a couple of the John and Peter returned with her and
> an angel spoke to her. That is TWICE she went to the tomb. However,
in Matt, Luke and Mark, she is given an order to tell
> the disciples of what has happened, so obviously, the disciples
weren't with her, as you don't tell somebody to give a person
> (or persons in this case) a message if that person was there!
Obviously, this has to be a THIRD and seperate visit to the tomb
> than the others, as it couldn't be her lone visit to the tomb, as
she encountered NO angel, and it couldn't be her visit with Peter
> and John, as the angel told her to deliver them a message! So
Augustine has left out an important detail.
You have the events confused. This is how St. Augustine sees the story
unfold:
Mat 28:1 & Mark 16:1-4 & Luke 24:1-3 & John 20:1 represent the same
event. Now,
put Matthew & Mark & Luke on hold and the event of John 20:2-10
happens; Mary
arrives, finds no angel and no Jesus then runs to tell the disciples
and comes
back with Peter and John. Now, Peter and John leave the scene but Mary
stays,
this is her second and FINAL visit to the tomb. It is at this point
where the
events of the angels speaking to Mary in Matthew & Mark & Luke, that
she is given
the order to tell the disciples what happened. There does not have to
be a third
visit as you suggest.
> If Augustine is implying there were three or four angels, he is
adding to the text in a big way. No account at all even implies
> there were more than two.
St. Augustine is not adding to the text, he is interpreting all four
Gospels as
a whole and finds at least 3 angels there. When you take the Gospels
seperately,
2 angels are the most we find but as a whole there are at least 3.
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