Original sin and repentance (Rick)

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In a message dated 97-10-08 17:11:24 EDT, you write:

<< > MATT
 > Your understanding of what original [sin is]* is seriously flawed. I do
not
 > wish to pre-empt my discussion with Farrell by commenting further at this
 > point so
 > would suggest you follow the discussion between us. Infant baptism is not
a
 > Scriptural practice, and has no absolving power whatsoever. You were born
a
 > sinner, after your infant baptism you were still a sinner and you will
 > remain so unless you repent from your sinful condition. (Not preaching -
 > explaining).
 > 
 > NANCY
 > *I don't meant to put words in Matt's mouth, but I think this is what he
 > means to say.
 > 
 > So, once we repent from our sinful condition we are no longer sinners?
 > 
 > MATT
 > Thank you for the post which demonstrates a need for me to clarify that
 > which I understood by my statement:
 > 
 > "You were born a condemned sinner, after your infant baptism you were
still
 > a condemned sinner and you will remain so unless you repent from your
 > condemned sinful condition."
 > 
 > When we repent from our old sinful condition we are still sinners but
saved
 > and uncondemned  ones.
 > 
 > BEN
 > Okay then.  Confession.  A sacrament.  Would you classify that as
 > repentance?
 > I was Christian for the firs 17 years of my life.  Surely I repented
 > sometime in there.  I went to lots of confessions.  Etc..  Come on.  I wan
 > tot
 > hear what you have to say.
 > Ben
 > 
 > MATT
 > Infant baptism, confirmation, confession, etc. etc. do nothing to absolve
 > original sin. Repentance from the individual for their sinful condition
 > before God is what is required to have one's sins forgiven and cleansed.
 > This is a general comment which we can go into further if you so desire.
 > 
 > Thanks
 > 
 > Matt
 
 What sinful condition?
 I believe you can knowingly do good or bad. I also believe you can do
 both unknowingly or accidentally.
 I don't believe there is any such thing as "sin". And I think that
 salvation is just remedy for a problem created by religion.
 
 Rick
  >>

BEN
 Bingo!

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