It's a Pity, Dave (to Yoel)

David Court (hoover1@NETCOM.CA)
Tue, 6 May 1997 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT)

>>
>> Savoia
>> To the contrary, however, his position implies that "we must know",
>> absolutely, that the contradiction does not exist. Dave, sir,
>> whatever you may say on this point, you are INDEED arguing that
>> Moseroth and Mt. Hor are the same place. If not, there is a Bible
>> contradiction and you must become an errantist. Your position does
>> not allow you the luxury of saying, "Well, we know nothing about the
>> 2 places, so nothing can be said one way or another". You MUST face
>> this fact as an inerrantist.
>>
>> (DAVE 5/3) Hello Michael: Then what you are saying is we MUST
>> argue either way when faced with an apparent discrepancy.
>
>Savoia
>Exactly -- IF you are claiming inerrancy for the Bible. If not, then
>of course you are at liberty to ignore it.

yoel-
Dave- you are the one who is claiming that the Bible is unlike any book
that has ever existed. Most skeptics on this list see it as just another
ancient mythological document, full of inconsistencies, absurdties and
errors that would have been caught and edited out of most modern works
before they went to print.

Since you claim that the Bible is so unique and special, it is up to you to
prove this. Since skeptics see the Bible as just another version of a
fairly common sort of document... what is it exactly that they are to
prove? In fact many efforts have been made on this list to show how the
Bible is very similar to the Qur'an, the Book of Mormon.... That they all
make fantastic claims, all claim prophecy fulfillment, all contain
miracles, errors, absurdities which should be obvious to everyone, yet the
faithful of THOSE faiths insist-- just like you insist, that THERE IS NO
CONTRADICTION in their particular holy book.

Since you claim that the Bible is more than just any other mythological
book, any seeming discrepancy should stand until you can PROOVE, not muse
or SURMISE, that there is in fact no discrepancy. There are many errant
books, especially among ancient mythological works. According to
Christians, there is ONLY ONE inerrant, perfect "word of God", the Bible,
and it is up to you to show that this book is so "special".

(DAVE 5/6) Yoel: "Seeming discrepancy"? Does that mean that Moserath and
Mount Hor are a seeming discrepancy? If so, I agree with this - what is
"seeming" is unknown and suspect at this time, and there is no evidence to
correct the problem.

I agree that these two verses are "seeming discrepancies". However, Izzy
and Farrell have claimed this to BE a discrepancy - that is, at least one of
them is wrong - and I'm wondering how they have gone from "seeming" to
"known". An assertion where the burden of proof is on them, not on anyone
they are discussing it with. Whether I believe the Bible is God inspired or
not has little bearing on THEIR assertion.

I admire you that you claim it to be "seeming" - and I agree with you - it
would take more information about it to completely understand if it is or not.

Regards.

Dave.

"Instead of wondering why there aren't more ways to God, the appropriate
response would be to marvel that there IS a way, and accept it with humility
and gratitude."
- Michael Horner