> nothing "Professing to be wise they became fools"...
Maybe "Paul" professed to be wise by revelation of Jesus, and became a fool.
> I guess it's no big deal that evolutionists lied about Java Man,
> Neandrathal man, pitifall man, peking man, lucy, and every other
> so-called missing link. It was a long time ago...hey come on, that's an
> old argument. It's no longer valid. Can you say Fallacy of question
> begging definition ? To define an argument as invalid only because it is
I guess it's no big deal that even most Christian scholars regard many of
early Christian writings as pious frauds and forgeries, and that Eusebius
said lying for the faith is ok, and that he repeated only that which
supported Christianity, but repressed anything against it. Does it
matter to you that these "testimonies" such as the Sibyls are ample
testimony to the lying pens of early Christians?
> By the way, The Supreme Court throughout this century has had the 10
> Commandments on their wall and if society followed them, there would be
> no need for police officers, lawyers, nor any other type of criminal
> agency. You say not so - but- I do say - SO!
REALLY I guess that means that you should keep the Sabbath? Nowhere in
the 10 commandments does it say "thou shalt not lie"--it just says "thou
shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"--presumably in an
dispute where one is called to bear such witness. "Thou shalt not kill"
is vague and contradicts other portions of the Bible where God killed and
commanded others to kill for him.
> If though on the other hand, everyone obeyed the (#1) commandment, "You
> shall have no other gods before me," this world would be unrecognizeable
> because the supreme law of the Land would be to love thy neibor as
> thyself and each would look out for the interests of others over the
> interests of themselves. There would be no hunger nor starvation
> anywhere on earh. To feed this entire planet and provide medical care
> for all is not a question of ability, it is a question of will. Will the
Where does the Bible say that Yahweh wants mankind to have
technologically inspired medical care?
> greedy materialists share their wealth or will they hoard it for
> themselves at the expense of others. Mankind can't blame God for his own
> selfishness which has resulted in more death than any other known factor
> on the planet. "A nation whose God is the Lord is blessed." On the other
> hand, a nation whose God is not the Lord is cursed. Mankind apart from
> God cannot survive because his own selfish nature will eventually cause
> him to self-destruct. History has proven this time and time again. To
I suppose this means all non-Protestant nations are cursed of God--that
is an interesting theory you have there.
> live like there is no God makes one a fool.
To follow the plain meaning of Jesus' commandments, especially on the
Sermon on the Mount, makes one a fool.
Ask Nazi Germany, who
> abandoned their Christian, heritage prior to the rise of Hitler. They
> also embraced the occult, condoned homo-sexuality, and practiced
Nazi Germany embraced their Christian heritage, specifically that of
Martin Luther, in exterminating the Jews. Nazi Germany condoned
homosexuality? Interesting idea, where do you get this information?
> Laws are only necessary for law breakers Mr. Fisher who do not operate
> out of God's principle of unselfish, unconditional, (AGAPE) love. In
> reality, this is all of us Mr Fisher but just because we don't adhere to
> the standard of perfection does not negate the fact that if it were
> adhered to, laws as we know them in this country would no longer be
> necessary. Jesus said it Himself that in loving our neighbor as
> ourselves, we fulfill the entire law. Furthermore, we read that the
> fruit of The Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,kindness,
> goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is
> NO law. (Galations 5)
This utopian ideal you have is ridiculous--just how do you determine what
is selfish and what is not? Until you get down to specifics, all you're
doing is typing glitering generalities from the New Testament.
>
Back to evolution, or I should rightfully call it devilution.
What is your system known as? Cretinism?
> "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
> and unrighteousness of men, who SUPPRESS the truth in unrighteousness,
> because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown
> it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
> are clearly seen [(gravity, photosynthesis, DNA, the second law of
> thermodynamics, the ozone layer, the tidal cycles, the instinct
> mechinism in animals, the human conscience)] being understood by the
those things show the invisble attributes of your god? How? Name me the
invisible attributes of your god which can be clearly seen and gleaned
from those things you listed. How is his "eternal power" seen by nature?
> things that are made [(Fundamental tenet of Biology-only life comes from
> life)] even His eternal power and Godhead, so that THEY ARE WITHOUT
Fundamental tenet of known reality--intelligences can only exist from
other intelligences, and since you postulate an infinite intelligence
that came from NOWHERE, you are going against our collective experience
of reality.
> EXCUSE. MR. Fisher when you look at creation, its order, structure, and
> design, God made it all in such a way that you would have to say TRULY
> THERE IS A GOD and He is indeed a creator. An uncaused being that is
> responsible for all other first causes.
A god who created death and decay and the food cycle causing untold pain
every second--this is what supposedly inspires us to think that an
"uncaused being" is responsible for it all? Not a good one, that's for
sure.
> You believe all these designs, orders, structures, intelligence, came
> about randomly with no purpose. It was all purely accidental.
>
> Mr. Fisher your religious system takes much more faith in the unknown
> and the implausible than I can have. My faith is not as great as yours.
This is a typical Christian claim--but you are claiming an infinite
invisible being coexists with us in "another realm"--an undetectable
realm. That takes a vast amount of faith to believe. How is it
plausible to believe this?
> It is a much simpler matter to look at creation and see the Designer, to
> see His hand in everything and than simply know that He is God and I am
> not.
It is simpler to just say 'god did it' when explaining anything, but that
doesn't mean the explanation is true, Jeff. When explaining how a
bicycle works to a child, it's much easier to simply say "the tooth fairy
makes it work," instead of explaining the whole bicycle layout
physically, isn't it?
> Mr. Fisher, the program I am using is netscape 3.01 gold. It is much
> easier to accept the fact that it works the way it does because someone
> put forethought, design, and intelligence into it and has caused it to
> be able to work the way it does. It would be much more difficult for me
So who caused God's intelligence, his very being, his infinite mind and
thought to be able to work the way it does? If you say "those things are
just part of him" or "they just are," then why do you have a problem with
this explanation for the universe?
> to believe that atoms flying around in random, sporatic, chaotic order,
> somehow got together in one little clump, add a little hocus pocus of
> some electric charge and wammo instant dynamo netscape 3.01 gold. You
> say this could never happen in a gazillion years and you are right. No
> sane computer programmer in his right mind would ever say that a
> computer program through random chance could ever come about, even if
> the keyboard and all other necessaries were already in place. This is
You yourself are still left with an infinite intelligence (much greater
than your netscape program) who "just is"--anyone who told you that
netscape 3.01gold never came into being and wasn't designed but "just
is"-- you would believe that person insane, wouldn't you? So why
shouldn't we think likewise when you talk of an infinite being?
> My critical question to you is where did any of the stuff that makes up
> the universe come from? Did it create itself? I would appreciate an
> honest answer to this question. I've already stated that I believe by
> faith that God has always existed?
My critical question to you is where did any of the "stuff" that makes up
God's "very being" come from? Did it create itself?
> "The Fool has said in his heart there is no GOD"
> CHEERS to your god, may he remain forever nothing...
How about this instead of Psalms 14:1, "The fool has said in his heart,
'There is no god,' but the wise man says it out loud."
Mike
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