> (DAVE 3/31) Ian: Actually, many of you (errantists) claim that God is not
> a "good" god - you yourself have alluded to this fact - so, you must have a
> definition for "good" - what is it? Why is God "evil"? You must have a
> definition for these terms. I haven't said anything about "virtues" of the
> Bible - I don't even know what you mean by that. If you mean the virtue of
> "love", that certainly isn't something exclusive to the Bible - neiother is
> generosity, kindness, compassion etc. - these are all "virtues" of the
> Bible, but are virtues of our lives period, are they not?
>
> If you are saying things about "family values", I can show you MANY families
> who hold the same "values" about their families as I may, yet who aren't
> Christians - obviously, these "values" you allude to are also not exclusive
> to the Bible or to Christians.
>
> You have avoided my question here - you want something "good" from the first
> five books of the Bible, yet you won't define "good" - how can this be
> answered then?
>
> Regards.
>
> Dave.
(Christ-Ian 3/31) Dave, I am speaking of the five books of Moses. I have
studied them
very thoroughly and I have found nothing that I would term 'good' in any of
these five
books. Instead I have found an angry, egotistical , insane god. There are no
family
values (at least not my family values) in any of these books. There may be
biblical
values but if there are, they stink pretty bad.
There may be some 'good' things in the bible but I have not arrived at them
as yet. In
so far as defining 'good', I can't do that from these five books. It does
not exist.
Therefore, it is up to you to tell me what you define as 'good' or what
family values
are in these five books.
(DAVE 3/31 LATER) Ian: You state "I have found nothing...'good'...". when
asked to define "good", you state "In so far as defining 'good', I can't do
that from these five books". What does this mean? You have already
concluded there is nothing "good" - so you MUST have a prefabricated
definition of "good" before you started - a frame of reference if you will.
That's like me saying "Ian, it's not there" - when you ask what I'm looking
for, I say "I can't tell you cause I haven't found it". So, how do I know
it's "not there"?
You are avoiding the issue Ian. How can you conclude there is no "good" in
these books, if you don't even know what "good" is?
Regards.
Dave.
"Often the people who are the most difficult to reach with the Gospel of
Jesus Christ are people who attend church. You see, it is similar to a
vaccination. When we go to foreign countries, we are vaccinated for cholera
or other diseases, and that vaccination gives us a little bit of the
disease, but just enough to keep us from getting real diseases. We can have
a little bit of religion too, just enough to keep us from getting the real
thing."
- Billy Graham