> Yes, you have presented a delimma.
>
> The way Mormons get around this delimma (I used to be a Mormon) is by stating
> that it was god's intention that Adam and Eve disobey him and thereby usher
> in the fall. Mormons believe this step was needed to introduce mortality.
> Mortality was the only place where a spirit child of god could receive a
> body. Mortality was also a proving ground that would determine where one
> would eventually find himself in the eternities (e.g. salvation in the
> celestial kingdom). In this framework of thinking, the fall was necessay.
>
> As far as the rest of Christianity goes, I'm not sure anyone has
> satisfactorily addressed your delimma.
Actually, I just did.
If I must construct an argument based
> on the Bible (by the way, I no longer believe in the Bible), I would have to
> think that god simply planned the fall, as well as every other bad thing that
> happens to people, in advance. Paul taught that god creates some people for
> his glory while others he creates simply to destroy (kinda reminds me of
> Uncle Fester and his train sets). What's more god decides all this in
> advance. [see Romans 9:14-23]
>
> This is just one of the many reason I no longer believe in Bible.
>
> Mike Earl
>