Khome-
>Khome< Wesley wrote back in 1767: Three days and three nights-It
>was customary with the eastern nations to reckon any part of a natural
>day of twenty-four hours, for the whole day. Accordingly they used to
>say a thing was done after three or seven days, if it was done on the
>third or seventh day, from that which was last mentioned. Instances of
>this may be seen, #1Ki 20:29|; and in many other places. And as the
>Hebrews had no word to express a natural day, they used night and day,
>or day and night for it. So that to say a thing happened after three days
>and three nights, was with them the very same, as to say, it happened
>after three days, or on the third day.
yoel- This is a lie. Wesley's and your's. An outright fablrication. Khome
is just saying this because he wishes it was so. 'Yom' means day. It has
the same connotation as 'day' in English, 'dia' in spanish, 'jour' in
French. Jesus spoke Aramaic, and the word in Aramaic was also 'Yom'. The
word in Arabic 'Yum' is also the same. A night (laylah) is a night, 'noche'
in spanish, 'nuit' in french... "Three days and three nights", surprisingly
enough means "three days and three nights". Whaddaya know?
Genesis 1:5: And it was evening and it was morning, one day (Yom ehad)
Genesis 1:8: And it was evening and it was morning, second day (Yom sheni)
Yom kippur (the day of atonement) lasts from sunset to sunset.
Yom rishon, (first day, Monday,) lasts from sunset to sunset
Yom shabbat (sabbath day) lasts from sunset to sunset.
So you are unjustified in claiming that "the Hebrews had no word to express
a natural day, they used night and day, or day and night for it." By the
way, the word for "was" in Genesis can also mean "became". If you want to
quibble with language in Genesis and claim that Jesus fulfilled an
evening/morning, scenario, lets see:
Friday eve/Sat morning- 1 evening one morning
Sat eve/Sun morning ("while it was yet dark")- NOT 1 evening and one morning
So, Jesus did even less than with the Genesis scenario taken in the
strictest literal sense.
Jesus said "Three days and three nights" This specified 3 full units of
daylight hours and 3 full units of nighttime hours. It was the only "sign"
he was going to give, so it should have been pretty damn well clearly spelt
out and noticable. Khomes skipping around the issue is dishonest and
disgusting, (but VERY Christian.)
The only reason he come up with this ludicrous explanation is because
people like him will grasp at anything, real or imaginary, truth OR lie,
which will make "make it fit". This is dishonest and shameful.
>Dar< Finally, an attempted scriptural precedent. Did you even read this
>scripture? It doesn't help you. I have no problem with the seven days/on
>seventh day given in 1 Kings 20:29. ("And they pitched one over against
>the other seven days. And so it was, that in the seventh day the battle
>was joined:...") There is no comparison between this scripture and the
>problem you have. As I said before, I am not requiring 24 hours for
>something to be given the designation "day." With the Jesus incident of
>course, your not even close. Not even close to close.
> Wesley quote: "So that to say a thing happened after three days and
>three nights, was with them the very same, as to say, it happened after
>three days, or on the third day."
> Wesley can say it, but this doesn't make it so. I don't buy it. You can
>probably find people to agree with you that black equals white. I would
>be surprised if you couldn't (Inerrantist Norman Geisler actually does
>this on pg. 501 of his apologetic book "When Critics Ask" BTW. Look
>it up sometime, very funny.) After three days and three nights does not
>equal on the third day. This 1 Kings example does not accomplish this
>for you.
> Only blind falling down drunk faith can accomplish this for you.
yoel- There is no comparison. This is a typical Christian "red herring". An
outright lie which sounds good and often stops inquiry from proceeding in a
certain direction. This thing is such a lie- it makes me so upset, so
disillusioned with what people will force themselves to believe,
historically and up to the present day.
So much for morals...
yoel
"Who forgives God?"
from the film "The Rapture"