Re: Jesus Loves You

April Dorsey-Tyler (adorsey@netusa1.net)
Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:38:24 -0600

And here's another true life story. When I was in High School my best
friend's sister, who was a year younger than us, got involved with a fundy
group (we were mainstream, Methodist-type christians). As the years went
on she got so involved with this fundy group that she stopped reading
anything except the fundy's minister's works or the babble. She also
became withdrawn, and avoided social contact with anyone outside of the
fundy church group, because we were all part of the devil's plan and would
keep her from her god, if we could (which we tried). When she was 19 she
moved to Texas to become part of this guy's church. To make a long story
short, the more involved she became with this church, the more withdrawn
and depressed she became. About two years later she killed herself.

The really sad part is that nobody cried at her funeral. She had become so
unhappy in those years as a fundy, that everybody felt death was probably
better.

April

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> From: Farrell Till <jftill@midwest.net>
> To: errancy@infidels.org
> Subject: Jesus Loves You
> Date: Monday, March 10, 1997 10:30 PM
>
> YOEL
> Uh- you are wrong. Here is a true confession- I converted my entire
> (nuclear) family, either directly or indirectly to Christianity in the
late
> 70's. I have succeeded in getting one sister out. She was constantly
tying
> to commit suicide. She was convinced that she was possessed by demons.
She
> was constantly being told that her doubts were due to lack of faith,
which
> lead her deeper and eeper into depression. She ended up a mess, but still
> believing in Jesus. Finally, she saw reason and... she is a healthy
> productive and happy person now. Like me, she is very distressed at the
> human tendency toward gullibility.
>
> TILL
> Let me tell you about a colleague who taught with me at the college I
> recently retired from. He and I both began teaching there in 1965. He
and
> his family were the religious types who went to church every time the
doors
> open. They had two children when they came here and about 10 years
later,
> they had another son, who was born with a cleft palate and a hare lip.
Soon
> afterwards, the wife began to corner me at social gatherings of the
faculty
> to talk to me about the Bible. She explained that she knew I no longer
> believed the Bible but that everyone knew I was informed in biblical
> matters. She wanted to know if I thought that God would punish people
> through their children. I made the mistake of telling her exactly what I
> thought, that the God of the Bible would punish people in heinous ways
for
> things that they were innocent of. I cited the Amalekite massacre in 1
> Samuel 15 as an example.
>
> Thereafter, she would call me on the phone to ask me if I really believed
> that the Bible teaches that God punished the innocent for the sins of
> others. I began to suspect that she had in mind the birth defect of her
> son, even though by this time surgery had corrected it. When finally she
> asked me pointblank if I thought the Bible taught that God would punish
her
> son for her sins, I realized that she was mentally imbalanced, and so I
lied
> to her and pretended that I really didn't believe the Bible taught that.
>
> She continued to dwell on this and eventually had to be in and out of
> psychiatric wards. Evidently, this became too much for her husband who
> vanished one day without any warning either to his family or to the
college.
> After several weeks, the police located him in Arkansas working for a
> construction company. They were able to find him because he had
purchased
> gasoline on a credit card. His son (not the one who had had the birth
> defect) drove to Arkansas and persuaded him to return home. Because the
> college board realized the stress he was under, he was allowed to retain
his
> teaching position. However, the situation worsened as his wife's mental
> problems continued. Her insurance bills reached as much as $300,000 per
> year, a cost that affected everyone who worked at the college. To make a
> long story short, one weekend my colleague put a shotgun to his chest and
> killed himself, and his wife was permanently institutionalized.
Ironically,
> she died about a year after he committed suicide. At his funeral, I
nearly
> gagged on the nonsense that spewed from the pulpit as the minister
spouted
> garbage about how Jesus loved xxxxxxx and had taken him home to a better
place.
>
> The psychological harm still lingers in the family. His older son was an
> active churchgoer at a congregation only three blocks from my house, and
he
> himself lived in my neighborhood. About three weeks ago, his daughter
> called the police, because her father had gone berserk and was
threatening
> the family with a gun. He was taken into custody, and I have heard that
he
> is now undergoing psychiatric counseling and has been put on some drug
that
> his doctors hope will enable him to control his rage. He lives apart
from
> his family.
>
> I could also tell everyone about my fundamentalist sister-in-law whom my
> fundamentalist brother came home one afternoon and found unconscious from
an
> overdose of prescription drugs she had taken in a suicide attempt. He
got
> her to the hospital in time to save her life, but her health has been
> affected ever since. When I know of cases like these, how does anyone
> expect me to buy this "Jesus loves you" crap? It just does not agree
with
> the reality that I see around me. When I see people like these whose
lives
> have been ruined or seriously damaged, probably by their religious
beliefs,
> I think, "There but for the grace of common sense and rationality go I."
>
> By the way, my former colleage has a daughter who is an atheist, and from
> what I hear she is emotionally stable in a successful career as a marine
> biologist. I remember before he died, her father told me one day at the
> college that she was an atheist. He remarked that maybe she was the
smart
> one in the family. At the time, I thought that he was maybe saying this
> because he knew what I thought about the subject, but I afterwards
realized
> that he was probably expressing a cynical belief.
>
>
> Farrell Till
> Skepticism, Inc.
> jftill@midwest.net
>
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