Re: 1st Yoel Miss Interpretations Chapter none vs. none
Helen Willis (hhiwater@BRIGHT.NET)
Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:34:28 -0700
yoel haalmoni wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Magill
> >> >Have you ever read in Revelation 13: 8 which speaks of "the lamb slain
> >> >from the foundations of the world." The salvation plan predated
> >> >creation.
> >>
> >> yoel-
> >> Jeff, as we saw in my previous posting, NOTHING had to be slain in order to
> >> acquire forgiveness. According to the Old Testament, a donation of flour
> >> was good enough to acquire forgiveness of sin.
> >
> Magill- And Yoel calls himself Jewish.
>
> "And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and
> >without the shedding of blood THERE IS NO REMISSION. (SPEAKING OF SIN)
> >This is HEBREWS 9:22 as Paul quotes the OLD TESTAMENT LAW SCRIPTURE
> >LEVITICUS 17:11.
> >
> >I rest my case to your always absurd interpretations.
>
> yoel-
> Jeff- you are so full of crap- you squish when you walk. The thing I do not
> understand is how you can lie so boldfacedly. Do'nt you have any morals?
> Any integrity? Do you see this as out teem vs theirs- no matter what your
> team is doing or saying? You said-
>
> And Yoel calls himself Jewish.
> "And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and
> >without the shedding of blood THERE IS NO REMISSION. (SPEAKING OF SIN)
> >This is HEBREWS 9:22 as Paul quotes the OLD TESTAMENT LAW SCRIPTURE
> >LEVITICUS 17:11.
>
> yoel-
> Why did you list a New Testament verse and say that Paul is quoting an old
> Testament verse? Did you think that I don't have a Bible and am not able
> myself to look up the supposed reference? Leviticus 17:11 says no such
> thing. It is a prohibition against eating blood, one of the prime rules of
> kashrut. It says
>
> "I will set my face against that person who eats blood.... for the life of
> a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement
> for yourselves on the altar, it is the blood that makes atonement for
> life."
>
> It is a prohibition against eating blood, because to blood is for
> atonement. But, as I pointed out in the article you snipped- the blood was
> never the only way to make atonement. Why did you ignore that article. I
> will repost it.
>
> Why do you knowingly lie, subvert and misdirect? I may laugh at it
> sometimes, but it is really pathetic. Don't you have any integrity?
Helen:
It actually makes the point that Yoel and I have tried to make before even if
Jesus had been a blood sacrifice, besides the obvious problem of human
sacrifice being forbidden, religious Jews would not drink the blood of
sacrifice, even symbolically, it must be given to god at the Temple. To
symbolically drink human blood of sacrifice at the Passover Seder would have
horrified the Jews involved. This whole line of garbage is an attempt to put
an Jewish explaination on a pagan custom. The Dionysian service had contain
this ritual for centuries. There is a commandment chukot ha-goy (Lev. 20:23)
which forbids Jews to follow the ways of the Gentiles, if for no other reason
than this was a pagan ritual, and most Jews probably would have know this,
Jews would not have drunk wine and called it god's blood or eaten bread and
called it god's flesh.
Helen Willis
hhiwater@bright.net