[Fwd: Bloody Basins]

Jeff Magill (jmagill@mail.gte.net)
Thu, 19 Jun 1997 05:13:07 -0800

yoel haalmoni wrote:
>
> >> yoel-
> >> Where in the world do you get that it was "in the form of a cross"?
> >
> >Magill- It's right in your HEBREW OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES.
> >>
> yoel-
> >> Ex 12:7
> >> They will take some of the blood of the lamb and put it on the two sides
> >> and top of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs"
> >> This is not the shape of a cross, Jeff.
> >
> >Magill- Yoel, you are overlooking one thing my friend. Let me just say
> >though, before I answer, that I appreciate the tone of your question.
> >Maybe I am totally wrong here but somehow I discern that it does not
> >have a mocking tone behind it.
> >
> >Yoel, if you jump ahead alittle, in the exact same chapter, to Exodus
> >12:21-22, we read a more fully detailed passage concerning the
> >instructions given by Moses to the elders concerning the Passover.
> >Notice, they were to kill a Passover LAMB. It was to be the firstborn
> >and without blemish.(12:5) This again points to JESUS CHRIST.
> >
> >My main point though is found in verse (22).
> >Notice that they were to use a hyssop bush that was to be dipped in the
> >basin containing the blood in order to strike the lintel and the two
> >door posts. The basin, as I'm sure you are well aware of, was located at
> >the base of the entryway of the door on the floor. It's primary purpose
> >was for foot washing before one would enter a house.
> >
> >When you connect the basin, containing the blood of the sacraficial
> >lamb, with the lintel which is located at the TOP CENTER of the door and
> >the two doorposts located on each side of the door towards the UPPER
> >MIDDLE,
> >
> > you have The Perfect Shape of a CROSS...
>
> yoel-
> Jeff, this is just wishful thinking.

Magill- no Yoelie this is wishful denial!

"I wish it was this way, therefor I'll
> think of a scenarion in which what I wish would be would have taken place."
> I am familair with this explanation. I saw it on some Chick tract which was
> aimed at convertin the Jews.

Magill- I read about the O.J. Simpson case in the LA Times. It was also
in the National Inquirer.
>
> First- God does NOT IN ANY WAY tell the Jews to put the blood in the form
> of a cross. He gives 3 points of reference: the 2 doorposts and the top of
> the doorframe. You are creating a fourth point which does not exist to
> force a "sign of the cross" before the doors.

Magill- Not so! The fourth point is clearly surmised. It's blantantly
right in the instructions of the text. I realize your limited 2
dimensional thinking is giving you problems but I have confidence in
your abilities Yoel because after all you are still Jewish and you
therefore have probably a greater than average intelligence.
(A God Given Gift)
>
> You are claiming that the blood is in a footwashing basin which is in the
> middle of the entryway to the house. Although the Bible does tell
> Israelites to put the blood in a basin, but it does not specify that it is
> a footwashing basin. This is your extrapolation.

Magill- Really? What other basin is there at the foot of a person's door
at that time?

Why would anyone want to
> put blood in their footwashing basin? Even if it was a footwashing basin-

Magill- Well, let's see. Maybe the Hebrews decided it was good policy to
obey the Word of The Lord.

> why would it be in the MIDDLE of the doorway?

Magill- Why not? Like this would be to strenuous an inconvenience to
overcome. It would certainly mean that people of that day wouldn't
forget to wash their feet before entering a household. Yoel your quarrel
of insignifigance is now venturing into the realm of obsurdity.

It would probably be on the
> side.

Magill- the Hebrew scholar is on the continuum of probabilities and not
certainties.

I have never slaughtered an animal-

Magill- What does it matter Yoel? The Hebrews were obeying a command
from the KING OF KINGS. They were not trying to rectify the process as
your vegetarian dogs and cats would attest to.

but I suppose that necessity
> would dictate that the blood be collected into some sort of receptacle,
> and it seems more probable

Magill- As long as your probable mind is satisfied with your trivial
objections- What can I say to you other than Blindness can be a
non-believers best friend.

that this was the basin refered to.
>
> Also, the three points of reference given, are all performable from
> eye-level.

Magill- All are not at the exact point of location your fansical mind is
trying to convince you of.

For a living, I dye shirts with sponges and a brush. The shirts
> are hanging, and I take the dye from a bowl which is at my arm's reach on a
> table, and I paint. Why would someone place the bowl on the floor to reeach
> the 3 eye level points to be smeared?

Magill- YAWN!

Magill- They are following an exact set of specified procedures. They
are not even considering to do what may seem convienient. Good grief
Charlie Brown!

It would be more comfortable for them
> to hold the bowl in one arm and paint with the other.

Magill- God has always been more concerned with our character than our
comfort Yoel.
>
> Also, even if a bowl was for some reason in the very centre of the
> threshold- you have no idea which way the hand went as it daubed the blood
> on. It could very wall have been in the shape of a diamond.

Magill- These four exact points create a cross period.
>
> Take a common example. Look at your computer monitor. If I tell you to
> touch 3 points: 1 at each side and one at the top-- what reason do I have
> TO ASSUME that you are first going to bring the pointer to the exact middle
> on the bottom of your screen? What right do I have to assume that you will
> autoimatically make a "sign of the cross"

Magill- If you connect the points in such a way that all the lines from
the various points crisscross and interconnect with each other than the
only viable shape would be a cross.

Magill- It's very simple. Because Jesus Christ is the Way and His death
on the Cross is the symbolism of the passover lamb celebrated first
among the Jews in Egypt. It's a type of what was to come. Yoel you fail
to recognize the significance of the event. None of the Jews who applied
the Blood died from the angel of death. They didn't understand why. They
just believed what God said. It's the same way for us today. It was the
same for those who looked at the brass serpent which represented a type
of judgement(brass) and sin (the serpent). The serpent was raised as
Jesus was raised in judgement on a tree (the cross) for our sins.
Thus,in the same way, none of us who apply the Blood of the Lamb slain
from the foundations of the world die in our own sins.
>
> yoel
>
> But I'm buddhist, darling.

Buddha's body is still in its grave!
> Edina Monsoon

IN HIS ETERNAL GRIP FOREVERMORE,
JSM