Pardon me for ignoring your post.
Walter Nusbaum wrote:
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> Ian,
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> Real briefly, here is the major difference.
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> Christian Theism:
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> We are commanded not to murder unless the state appropriates the act (Romans 13). Man is bound by the law that God has set. In other words, man and God are i
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> To make it more clear for you, because Scripture teaches that mankind is sinful and in their hearts hates the true God, God is just to act in whatever manner H
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> Atheism:
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> The fact that Stalin killed millions of people is simply a fact of nature/life. There is no final justice...it just is. What reasoning can you provide that d
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> However, forget the theistic claim for the moment...I want you to demonstrate that the atheistic claim that genocide is objectively immoral /evil/wrong (whatev
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> His,
> Walt Jr.
>
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> From: dorioni@intellinet.com[SMTP:dorioni@intellinet.com]
> Sent: 07 July 1997 14:24
> To: errancy@infidels.org
> Subject: Re: (Ian) RE: It's a real short book vs Stalin
>
> Walter Nusbaum wrote:
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > That's fine, I'll trust you on the history of Stalin...as Michael has already said, so what? You are making an extreme hypothetical guess as to what was goi
> >
> > The sad thing Ian is that you really have no reason to say that Stalin was wrong anyways. You are simply borrowing from one worldview and jumping back into
> >
> > His,
> > Walt Jr.
> > IAN 7/7
> No. I made an extreme hypothetical guess when I said Stalin was raised as a
> christian. I was delerious when I found out he studied for the priesthood. Are you
> saying now that he may have been justified because he as an atheist used christian
> values/ Walt, nevermind all the strawmen that you're throwing at me. Either show
> where Marxism, atheism, evolution or anything else espouses the mass killings that
> the Bible, Hitler and Stalin have committed. And by the way, it's no shame to just
> come out and admit you were wrong on a subject. Even if Stalin got his idea to
> kill all these people, it was still wrong -- the same as it was wrong for Hitler
> to do it. You can still claim the Bible is a different case. I won't agree with
> you but you can still claim so.
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> > From: dorioni@intellinet.com[SMTP:dorioni@intellinet.com]
> > Sent: 06 July 1997 06:43
> > To: errancy@infidels.org
> > Subject: It's a real short book vs Stalin
> >
> > IAN 7/6
> > Sorry I misaddressed this yesterday.
> >
> > > > > Walter Nusbaum wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Read the book of Philemon in the New Testament...it is one of the shortest books in there...it won't take you 3-4 minutes to read it
> > > through.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His,
> > > > > > Walt Jr.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian 7/5
> > > > >
> > > > > Walt, I'll answer your post after you tell me whether or not I am right about Joseph
> > > > > Stalin going to a Christian school, being a brilliant student, winning a full
> > > > > scholarship to a seminary, studying for the priesthood, and giving it all up after
> > > > > reading works by Karl Marx.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not one of you great christians has had the balls to write two words since I brought
> > > > > this out. That's you, Uzzi and Joseph.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You know Ian, you may be 100% correct concerning your information
> > > > about Stalin. I really don't know. Even assuming that you are
> > > > though it doesn't really help your case. Those things which the
> > > > world finds bad about Stalin occurred after he rejected Christianity
> > > > according to you. So it would seem that it was his rejection of
> > > > christianity that led him to be who and what he was.
> > > >
> > > > Michael P. Hughes
> > > > http://www.odd.net/ozarks/churches/cchrist/camdenton/index.htm
> > >
> > > Ian 7/5
> > >
> > > I disagre with you. My wife was raised as a Southern Baptist and gave it
> > > up many years before I met her (six years ago). While she does not
> > > embrace the christian religion, she still thinks like a southern
> > > baptist. It's a little annoying at times but I love her dearly and she
> > > has to put up with me. Whether or not Stalin got his killer instinct
> > > from the Bible or not, the Bible surely gave him no reason to be kind
> > > and gentle.