>these criteria:
Till only makes this statement as an atheist because he refuse to take the
texts that I have quoted honestly. Let's look at their quoted criterium.
TILL
> (1) The alleged prophecy must clearly mean what the one alleging
prophecy fulfillment >claims that it means; it cannot be so vague and
obscure that the "prophet's" meaning >cannot be established beyond
reasonable doubt.
This is a wishor an unrealistic demand, instead of the reality. This
antitheistic imposition really doesn't show much thought. It only
attempts to form a precept to negate prophecy as being true altogether.
Messianic prophecy refers to a Messiah who was to come. Moses did not
know that the Messiah's name would be Jesus of Nazareth. History future
would show that Jesus Christ of Nazareth would be the fulfillment of Old
Testament messianic prophecy.
TILL
>(2) The alleged prophecy must have been made BEFORE and not AFTER the
>fact.
If Till will look at some scholarly dating of the canonical books
of the Bible, they will see though they may not accept the reality, that
the prophecies are made before their fulfillment. Jesus didn't use a
checklist. The proper dating of the Exodus is somewhere around 1445-46
B.C. So we can pitch out the Tubingen School's understanding (JEPD
Theory) of textual transmission (see also 1 Kings 6:1 and the date that
Solomon came to power was around 966 B.C. Do the basic math for yourself
given the data and historical timelines and you will see that there must
be something there.) By the way the historical books of the Old
Testament were written later than the Torah.
TILL
>(3) The alleged prophecy must have been made far enough in advance of
>the alleged fulfillment to eliminate the possibility of educated
guesswork.
They were! Is the antitheists here
assuming that the people of the Bible pigeon holed Jesus into being the
Messiah? This is utter balderdash!
TILL
> (4) The fulfillment must have been such that no one could have
>intentionally contrived to make the fulfillment happen. (5) The one
alleging
>fulfillment must establish beyond reasonable doubt that the fulfillment
did in
>fact occur.
No one can choose when they will be born, their parents and family tree,
and where they woukd be born. Not even Jesus. Read those passages and
open up the Bible when you do and see for yourself.
>As I discuss Rob's prophecy-fulfillment claims, I will discuss these
>criteria more in detail as they apply. We will see that neither Rob
>nor anyone else can establish a case of biblical prophecy fulfillment
that
>even comes close to satisfying these criteria.
I will respond to your responses to the passages given in another
transmission. This is all for now. . . until the next time.
Rob