Re: Birth To A Virgin (to Jason)

April Dorsey-Tyler (adorsey@netusa1.net)
Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:41:14 -0600

> > > >(COURT 2/24) Hello all:
> > > >
> > > >A ewe cloned in Scotland.
> > > >
> > > >My goodness, a child born to a virgin in the image of the parent.
> > > >
> > > >So it IS possible. Who would have thought. :)
> > > >
> > > JAGER 2/25 Dave: What are you saying? Was Jesus a clone? :)
> > >
> > > (COURT 2/26) Bill: No, I'm not saying that. I am only bringing up
> this
> > > point to make a simpler one: that those who wish to dismiss the
"virgin
>
> > > birth" account as being impossible, will have to dig a little deeper
> into
> > > the bag of refutation then just saying "it is impossible" to disprove
> it.
> > >
> > > A virgin birth is possible. That is all I'm saying. Of course it
> doesn't
> > > prove that Jesus was born to a virgin. But the errantist that says
it
> is
> > > impossible cannot use that particular argument.
> > >
> > RJV 2/26
> > Dave, I'm not quite sure about this, but I'm not sure that a virgin
birth
> > is impossible in humans. However, if a virgin birth does occur, only a
> > female can be produced due to the genetic material that the female has.

> I
> > think that turkeys can also have virgin "births", yet these offspring
are
> > always male. (Anyone else familiar with this?) Jesus was a male, so
he
> > either wasn't born of a virgin, or he was a turkey.
> >
> > (COURT 2/27) Jason: Interesting comments. This kind of knowledge is
> > beyond me - I can't really offer any more on what you have said here.
I
> > think the quandary here would be how male chromosomes could get into
the
> > fertilized egg. It would be interesting if anyone else here can offer
> some
> > insight into this issue. Raymond? Does this fall into your area of
> expertise?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> I don't know about Raymond, but it falls into mine.
>
> There are a couple of ways a virgin could get pregnant. First, if a guy
> ejaculates near the mouth of the vagina, it's possible for some sperm to
> swim up the tract and thus get pregnant while retaining "technical"
> virginity. (One could think of other, similar ways sperm could be placed
in
> the vagina without penile insertion). In this case, the kid could be
either
> sex. Second, it's possible that one of her eggs could be stimulated by
> something (lightening, maybe - this is theoretical, but, especially with
> the sheep thing, generally accepted by fertility researchers as being
> possible) which would stimulate the egg to divide, differentiate, implant
> and become a person. However, these kids would ALWAYS be female. And of
> course, there are all kinds of ways (in vitro fertilization, gamete
> intrafallopian transfer, sperm injection and implantation - I'll explain
> all these procedures if you want me to) but they all involve
fertilization
> of egg with sperm outside the body and then insertion into the female via
a
> thin catheter which would not break the hymen (though the speculum
probably
> would).
>
> I don't know about birds - I'm a mammalian reproductive physiologist. I
DO
> know that Mary did not have Jesus by virgin birth unless she was either
> doing some serious fooling around with Joseph, (presumably), or else it
was
> a miracle, which I don't accept.
>
> April
>
>

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