To Ian Dorion
Claire E. O'Connor claireoc@softdisk.com
Sun, 07 Dec 1997 20:59:52 -0600 (00881571592, 348B62A8.7CDE@softdisk.com)
Ian & Pam Dorion wrote:
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> (snipped)
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> Dear Claire,
> You have to remember that I have only read and studied the five books of
> Moses. I started to read Joshua but my family values couldn't take much of
> it. Also, this is a biblical errancy group so I don't think I have to go
> too far in the Bible to prove errancy. Since you seem to agree that the
> Bible IS in error but you still wish to accept it, as the Holy of Holies,
> there is no point in continueing this discussion. It is certainly possible
> the stories of Abraham are exagerated, if indeed he ever lived, just as it
> is possible that the feats and stories of Jesus are exagerated, if indeed
> he ever lived..
>
> For your information, Josef Stalin was raised as a Christian and attended a
> Christian school. He did so well at school that he won a full scholarship
> to seminary. While in the seminary he read some forbidden books on
> Communism and was either kicked out of left of his own volition. Apparently
> communism suited him better than Christianity but not better than the
> exploits of Joshua.
CLAIRE
I had read that Stalin was raised a Christian. But he did become an
atheist. So do we still blame Christianity for his evil deeds?
> IAN
> As for my obnoxious saying, "Good Christians make good Nazis," while it may
> well be obnoxious, it is none the less true. Let me explain.
> Good Christians say, "My God right or wrong, and my God is never wrong."
> When a non-christian brings up the Hebrew Horde going into Canaan Land
> under God's command killing all the men, women and children, except for the
> virgins which they kept for their sexual pleasures, the Christians always
> say that God had his reasons. Even killing the babies was justified since
> they went straight to heaven.
>
> Good Christians say, "My country right or wrong and my country is never
> wrong."
> So when this country chose to support the tyranical South Viet-namese
> government, the people supported the war because we were lied to (I was one
> of them). Even though the North and South had a treaty to have a national
> election to determine the type of government they would have, this country
> knew it would go communist and refused to let it come about. The American
> Legion is a patriotic organization made up of veterans who still support
> our part in the Viet-Nam War. You must profess a belief in God to belong
> (or lie). We can also go back to Nazi Germany (will you ever hear the end
> of it?). Hitler did not kill the Jews by himself. Germany was mostly Roman
> Catholic and Lutheran. They supported Hitler.
>
> Good Christians say, "My boss right or wrong, and my boss is never wrong."
> I have seen them sign documents they had no business signing. I have seen
> them object to something they knew to be wrong, and indeed try to right it.
> When the boss told them to shut-up and butt out, they did. When did you
> ever hear of a born again Christian being a whistle blower?
>
> Good Christians say, "My husband right or wrong, and my husband is never
> wrong." What do you think the Promise Keepers are all about?
>
> What do I call "A Good Christian?" "A Good Christian" tells everyone he is
> a Christian, brags about all he does for the church, says grace in public,
> prays in public, etc. etc. I think you get the idea.
>
> If you think I'm wrong when I say, "Good Christians make Good Nazis," write
> to the Pope and tell him to release the papers the Jews are asking for
> concerning Pope Pius XII, the RCC, Hitler and Nazi Germany. What does he
> have to hide?
>
> Ian Dorion
> Jesus Saves Jesus' Slaves
> (I hope this is more to your liking.)
CLAIRE
Dear Ian:
There was a good article in US News and World Report several weeks ago
about the Promise Keepers. Many of the men joined the Promise Keepers
because their wives pressured them to do so. The wives interviewed for
the article seemed very pleased with the changes in their husbands. Of
course, if anything good came of the Promise Keepers, you would
disregard that evidence, because it does not fit with your pre-conceived
notion that everything associated with Christianity MUST BE BAD.
What you are rejecting is a distorted cartoon version of Christianity.
How can you say that a born-again Christian would never be a
whistle-blower? How can you prove that? I think your statement is
bigoted.
I don't have time to address all your points right now, but I will
return to this later. I do hope that Pope John Paul releases the papers
concerning Pope Pius XII and Nazi Germany. I guess I should write a
letter. I also think that citizens of countries whose governments did
not do enough to help the Jews should be aware of this part of their
history. I don't think that Switzerland and the RC Church should be the
only ones targeted here.
Regards,
Claire O'Connor