Another Response for Harvey to Ignore

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>Let us assume that current theories are correct, and that God has always

>existed and thus had no beginning.  What would be the mathematical

>probability that an entity who is infinitely more complex than the universe

>he created could have just happened to exist without requiring creation

>himself?


well this is a little off errancy per se but I'll try to at least bring it
back...

I'm not sure the question is answerable for two reasons.  

One it is imposible for something that exists before created space and time
to *begin* by any means.  So the first answer to the question is not so
much regarding the mathamatical possibility of it happening, but the
imposibility (if God be) of *being* with a beginning -- period.  I'm sure
if God claimed to begin and then create the beginning we'd all be having a
good yuck about it.  

Second regarding mathamatical possibilities of God being -- God is spirit.
The physical world is not.  Seeing as we don't know spiritual properties
nor anything outside of the physical universe it would be impossible to
speculate on mathamatical possibilities of God being.  It's worse than
Napoleon speculating how far a tank will travel on 50 gallons of gasoline. 

I have yet to see an absolutely convincing existance arguement.  I think
there is a God exists list somewhere for Harvey to play.  I think it is
good to respect the basic lists guidlines most of the time.  I kind of
liked the idea of having to accept God exists for discussions sake.

Mick

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