5th Commandment 'thread'

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MATT
Just a post to hopefully conclude this particular thread which I have
renamed appropriately as a 'thread' because that is about all it hangs on
as a rebuttal of Biblical inerrancy.

JEFF
Divinely, you have been inspired to type "errancy" where you meant
"inerrancy".

MATT
Thanks for the correction Jeff - adjusted accordingly :)

On reflection my initial response to this should have been to point out
that whether Jesus had or had not breached the commandment is a matter
impossible for us to reach a conclusion on as it is subjective in nature,

JEFF
Are all the commandments so "subjective in nature" that it's impossible
to know that whether someone violates them or not?  Or is there
something particular about this instance or this commandment that makes
it so "subjective"?  Furthermore, surely an objective morality is
better than a subjective one, so if the issue of Jesus' violation of
the fifth (hm, I don't find a commandment about obeying parents in
Exodus 34 where the ten commandments are given .... ) commandment can
only be decided subjectively by each individual person, then there is
at least one shortcoming in the law given in the bible.  Thus, that law
isn't perfect.

MATT
It is not the commandments which are subjective, but the alleged breach of
the 5th commandment (Ex.20v12) by Jesus in relationship to the temple
incident with Mary and Joseph.

JEFF
Anyhow, if the issue is "subjective in nature" and I choose to conclude
that Jesus did in fact violate a commandment, then his nature was in
fact sinful, and the bible is in fact errant.  Thus, admitting that
this issue is subjective entails admitting that the issue of biblical
inerrancy is subjective, and that there can be no rational, objective
conclusion regarding it.  Webster calls subjective "3d. lacking in
reality and substance: ILLUSORY".  Is the final evidence of your god
merely ILLUSORY?

MATT
Your choice would be based on the most meagre evidence. More substantive
issues are abounding on this list to spend our time on.

JEFF
Or maybe you don't really want to admit that this matter is
subjective....

MATT
though if one accepts the Biblcal and consistent theological teaching of
the church on the sinless nature of Christ then it falls apart pretty
quickly. Trust that it will be obvious to all that there is no real
resolution to this thread and that we can conclude it
swiftly. I will of course respond to any posts on this subject which have
relevance to providing evidence that of the initial propoition that Jesus
was in breach of this commandment.

JEFF
"If the bible is inerrant, there is no error in the issue of X" is
merely the definition of inerrancy, we all know that.  But we want to
find out whether inerrancy is true or not.  I might as well say


| Though if one accepts the consistent atheological teaching of The

| Skeptical Review on the nature of Christ then any idea of his sinless

| nature falls apart pretty quickly.


In other words, if you accept one particular conclusion beforehand,
you'll arrive only at that conclusion.

MATT
So what you should do is consider both sides of the coin as possibilities
and then examine both till one comes through or the other collapses. 

Thanks 

Matt

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