Of course it's silly. It is the christians who call the bible the "good" book.
And there isn't anything good in it. At least not in the Penteteuch.
> > > > Dave wrote:
> > > > > > Secondly, your challenge to tell you something "good" in the first
> five
> > > > > > books in the Bible hasn't been answered because it is a ridiculous
> and silly
> > > > > > question frankly. I will attempt to answer it out of respect to
> you, but
> > > > > > would first ask you to define "good" for me.
> >
> > TOD
> > Good is being kind and fair. Good is being just to all. What is justice?
<snip>
> > such as Iran.
>
> (Ian 4/5) Tod, I let this sit in my box for a while to see what would happen.
>
> (DAVE 4/7) Ian: Interesting how Tod answered the question. But you
> avoided my question to you. YOU asked me to show you something "good". I
> asked you what "good" meant, and you didn't and couldn't, it seems, answer
> me (and then ride on the coattails of Tod - how sad). How can I answer your
> question?
> It was and remains a stupid question Ian.
>
> Ian
> Nothing, of course. Dave and all the other Funda-Maniacs know there is nothing
> good in these books of Moses.
>
> (DAVE 4/7) Ian: Nothing "good"? What is "good"? You're foolish Ian.
> Using words you can't define. Seems in the first chapter of Genesis alone,
> God saw much that was "good" - read it and there's your answer.
>
> Ian
> There are no values. There are no examples of
> how one shold behave.
>
> (DAVE 4/7) Ian: There you go again. How should one behave Ian? According
> to what YOU say? You want values? Ok - devotion: Abraham to his God;
(Ian 4/8) Abraham's devotion to his god? Are you kidding? Do you mean to say
that if I tied up my son (or grandson considering my age) and placed him on an
altar, raised my knife, ready to plunge it into his heart when someone stopped
me, I could claim that god told me to do it? Oh! Well, I'm not a religious
person. I'm not a true christian. What if Jerry did it? Do you think he could
pass for a true christian?
Don't bring up Abraham and that ridiculous story to me. A coward who pimped his
wife to Pharaoh and king Abimelech. An extremely rich man who sent his wifes
slave and his concubine along with his bastard son out of the camp with just a
loaf of bread and a jug of water. Another ridiculous story that has Hagar
tossing her big strapping seventeen year old son under a bush because she
didn't want to hear him cry himself to death. PLEASE!
> repentance - Joseph's brothers;
(Ian 4/8) Repentance! Only because the scurvy bastards were starving.
forgiveness - Joseph to his brothers;
(Ian 4/8) Forgiveness - maybe. Maybe he just missed the Hebrew Horde. Maybe he
just wanted to lord it over them.
Love - Adam and Eve, Jacob's sons for their father....;
(Ian 4/8) Where does it say anything about Adam and Eve loving each other?
Jacob's sons who kidnapped Joseph and sold him into slavery knowing that Joseph
was the favorite son? Some love!
commitment - how many to God do you want?;
(Ian 4/8) All of them! Every damned one of them! I'll shoot every one of them
down.
trust - Noah; conviction/fortitude - Noah;
(Ian 4/8) Maybe it was only to save his own skin. Another ridiculous story at
best. Water 5 1/2 miles deep? Get your head out of your ass Davey Boy. It's no
wonder Noah took his communion so serious and got drunk. I'm not sure why Ham
went in his father's tent but I guess it was funny to see the old geezer passed
out drunk on the groung naked. So he tells his two brothers, both of whom
happen to be fundies and queer one's at that. So they take a blanket or
something and tippee toe in backwards so they wouldn't see their father's
nakedness and cover him up. How stupid! His tent was like his bedroom! Who the
hell was going to see him? And what was wrong with just telling his wife? Then
what happens? Noah doesn't curse Ham! Noah curses Ham's son Canaan!
sound legal structure - Leviticus etc;
(Ian 4/8) Surely you jest! There's too much here for me to go through. Please
quote me chapter and verse.
hope, faith, endurance, patience, pride, comradery, faithfulness,
tustworthiness etc etc all abound in the first five books of the Bible.
(Ian 4/8) Surely we have different bibles. Mine is the King James Version.
Which one are you reading from? I thought Jerry said he uses the KJV. If you
use the same one, you will have to quote me chapter and verse.
> I assume these are things you consider "good"? If not, what is "good" Ian?
(Ian 4/8) Except for those things which I have asked you to quote chapter and
verse, I do not consider any of these things good.
(Ian 4/8) As to what is good, that is your problem. I asked for values -
biblical or family or anything. Surely love is good. Or is it? If I loved
another man's wife, would that be good? I hardly think so. If a woman loved her
husband and he was abusive towards her, if he constantly berated her and told
her he was going to kill her if she didn't toe the line, would that be good?
Would Jerry (who is against divorce) advise her to get a divorce?
> Ian
> Dave wants to play games because he's not honest enough
> to admit this. Some of these Funda-Maniacs bring up the Big Ten but when it
> comes time to preach the penalties for breaking these commandments, they draw
> in their horns. The Saturday Sabbath somehow gets magically shit-canned by
> Paul and maybe by Jesus F. Christ. Somehow, all the commandments don't get
> shit-canned along with it. Each Funda-Maniac believes in the inerrancy of the
> bible but it's their interpretation of how many different bibles? Each one is
> too damned stupid and too damned brainwashed to see the fallicy of their
> positions.
>
> Even though Jesus F. Christ's first miracle was to change water to wine, they
> insist that alcohol is evil and that wine in those days did not contain
> alcohol. Of course, it does not have to but they drank wine all year long and
> you can't preserve wine without alcohol. Maybe Jerry hasn't thought of this
> yet or maybe he weasled his way out of it.
>
> (Dave 4/7) Ian: You worked on the Shuttle? No wonder they returned early
> - with this kind of mentality contributing. What verbal diarrhea and
> nonsense you spew. Alcohol is evil?
(Ian 4/8) Yes, I worked on the Shuttle. I retired in June of '95. Noew talk
about the type of mentality, you should look at your own. I not only retired in
June of '95, I worked on the external tank. That's the large tank that carries
the liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. There has not been one failure on any
one of these tanks. Perhaps I should take credit for it but I won't. We had
thousands of people working on these tanks - most like me, pushing paper but
almost all vital to the mission. What have you done for your country David?
>
> Ian
> I'm not going to fall for their crap. It's their bible and their god and
> they're welcome to both.
>
> (DAVE 4/7) Ian: Oh how stoic you are. Well, you got me good (oh sorry I
> used that word again and you don't know what it means). There's nothing to
> fall for. You asked the question. You don't know the meanings of the words
> you are using in your questions. You falsely represent Christians. You
> form conclusions without sincere consideration. Pretty sad Ian.
>
> By the way, I don't need your blessing to interact with "my" god thank you -
> he is as much mine as yours, but if you're too stupid to even consider his
> existence, then so be it.
>
> I would be very interested in your sincere comments on the five books of the
> Bible - you haven't said anything on them of any value yet. Can you get
> past your nonsense to discuss things constructively? Or are you intent on
> being dishonest in your approach to this issue, as you have been to this point?
>
> regards.
>
> Dave.
(Ian 4/8) I hope my sincere comments get your attention. There are no lies in
what I say and there are no innuendos either. I'm a Deist. A doubting deist. If
there is a god, it damn sure isn't the Judeo-christian god or any revealed god.
I can see, smell, taste, feel and hear the universe. I can do none of these
with god.
>
> "The genuine Christian is one whose house is always in order. He does not
> have to stampede and implore heaven in panic when he finds he is going to
> die. He has only a few legal matters to settle, for as far as his
> everlasting relationships are concerned he has already realistically taken
> care of them. To him, the Christian message is according to reason."
> - A.W. Tozer