Re: Militant Jerry (Jerry, Till & Michael)
Ian Dorion (dorioni@intellinet.com)
Thu, 03 Apr 1997 12:47:50 -0600
> > McDonald 4/2
> > Ian in a spiritual sense, we are enemies. We are engaged in a
> > spiritual war. If you don't really believe that it wouldn't make one
> > bit of difference to you what I believe. You would simply go along
> > and say: "he has a right to believe what he wishes. Why should I
> > interfere?".
>
> (Christ-Ian 4/3) Jerry, if you had said we were enemies on the spiritual
> plane all these lengthy postings would be unnecessary. Better yet, if you
> had just ignored my posting, this would all be unnecessary. Unfortunately
> you took it as a personal affront when all I wanted to do was to wish
> those who believed in the Easter holiday a nice day and I hope they had
> one.
>
> As far as what you believe, that is your business as long as you don't go
> around passing laws that force others to live by your beliefs.
>
> (Jerry) You know absolutely nothing about the church of Christ.
>
> (Ian) You are correct. Why don't you enlighten me. Which Church of Christ
> is this? Where did it get it's start?
>
> (Jerry) It would not make any difference who was in power in this
> country. Christ is regarded as the only king in the church of Christ.
>
> (Ian) Is he king of the United States of America?
>
> (Jerry) As far as prayer in school is concerned, when I came on this list
> I made my beliefs known about the matter. I do not want prayer in school
> where everyone is to be involved in a prayer led by the school. I do,
> however, want my son to be able to pray, in silence, for his meals.
> I do not believe that the public school is the church; they are two
> separate institutions and should be kept such.
>
> (Ian) I agree with you wholeheartedly on this and as far as I know your
> son is allowed to pray in silence. At least I know of no way to stop him.
>
> (Jerry) Abortion is murder. We have laws protecting people from
> murderers. When one murders someone that person is arrested, tried
> and convicted, that is unless it has to do with abortion or
> euthanasia.
>
> (Ian) Here I disagree. While I will agree (with the option to change my
> mind in the future) that abortion is wrong, I consider it to be the
> lesser of two evils. I see these Pro-Life commertials on TV depicting a
> woman choosing not to have an abortion. Then they show the child in an
> upper middle class home and isn't life glorious! They show themselves as
> liars. It would be better to show these children in the slums, being
> raised by girls on welfare (welfare the Pro-Lifers are against paying)
> and all the abuse these children face with these girls or their live-in
> mates.
>
> It's not any easy problem to solve but sex education could help a great
> deal if it is done properly. Yes, I do agree that abstention is the first
> line of defense and I will have to admit that I am not familiar with how
> sex ed is taught. I will also agree it would best be taught by the
> parents and perhaps by the church as well. The problem with this is that
> many (especially Christians) are too embarassed to talk to their children
> about it and the churches come up with a Nancy Reagan approach, "Just
> say, "No!"
>
> As far as euthanasia goes, I don't believe they should be forced to live
> when they feel they have no reason to. Whether they are terminally ill,
> just plane miserable or want to catch an UFO is immaterial to me.
>
> (Jerry) As a cop I agree with prohibition. I have seen the effects that
> > alcohol has on people. I have made numerous DWI arrests. I have
> > followed these people, trying to make a case on them, and have even
> > pursued them trying to get them off the road before they kill
> > someone. I have seen what happens when drivers drink and drive. I
> > have seen dead bodies because of it. I would that alcohol was
> > outlawed everywhere. My stance as a Christian is that drinking is
> > sinful. But that is not why I am in favor prohibition. I am in
> > favor of that because of my life as a cop.
>
> (Ian) You are speaking of the ABUSE of alcohol rather than the USE of
> alcohol. This too should be a part of education. What we need are field
> trips for children taking them to the hospitals and showing them what
> happens when they ABUSE alcohol. A glass of wine with dinner or an ice
> cold beer on a hot Summer afternoon hurts no-one and according to some
> medical doctors does a body good. Jesus first miracle was turning water
> to wine was it not?
>
> (Jerry) As a parent I agree with censorship. I don't want my son to be
> > able to get on the internet and see smut. I know that I can get
> > "Net-nanny" but the point is that pornography should be considered
> > illegal regardless. You humanists argue that men should think more
> > of women than sex objects, and I agree. However, it is hard for men
> > to do that when womens bodies are placed out for all to see free of
> > charge. There are some places on the net that you don't even have to
> > have a password to get into. I do not want my son being able to view
> > pornographic material when he goes to a magazine rack in store or on
> > the street.
>
> (Ian) I don't agree that pornography should be illegal. As far as the
> internet goes, you do have net-nanny. I'm not sure what that would knock
> out but I don't think any two people could agree on what is pornography.
> Your own "Holy Bible" is filled with some pretty dirty stories. Hell
> Jerry, sex is part of life. Sex brings forth life. It would be better to
> come out against all the violence than the sex. Here again, your "Holy
> Bible" has enough mayhem in it in the five books of Moses to turn me away
> from your angry, egotistical, insane god. I suppose we could rate every
> movies, TV program, book, magazine and writeing - but who is to pay for
> all this? Maybe they should be rated for truth! Where would that leave
> the Christians?
>
> (Jerry) I have never known of the church of Christ to try to get laws
> > passed which reflect our beliefs. I am 43 years old and I was raised
> > in the church of Christ. My father was a preacher for the church of
> > Christ until he died in '94 at the age of 91. My grandfather (on my
> > father's side) was a preacher in the church of Christ until he died
> > of a heart attack at the age of 76 in 1950. My grandfather (on my
> > mother's side) was an elder in the church of Christ until he died
> > (when my mother was a young girl). My great grandfather (on my
> > father's side) was an elder in the church of Christ until he died. I
> > am well grounded in the church of Christ and I have never seen any
> > church of Christ (that I am affiliated with) try to get laws passed
> > which reflect our religious beliefs.
>
> (Ian) That's wonderful Jerry. I might dispute you beliefs but let's do it
> in a friendly way. I would still like to know more of the history of the
> Chuch of Christ.
>
> (Jerry) I was the president for the Jefferson County Kansans for Life in
> > 1989 and as an individual I tried to get laws passed to stop abortion
> > and will continue to do so, as an individual.
>
> You say that God alledgedly wrote in the Bible that we are to
> > observe Easter. Would you be so kind as to show me where? If you
> > can show me where I will start observing the holiday as a religious
> > holiday. And we do not make Sunday the sabbath. Again you show your
> > ignorance of what the church of Christ believes. The sabbath was
> > done away at the cross. We don't practice it in any form or fashion.
> > I don't know who you have us confused with, but I can say you sure do
> > have us confused with some group. We are not reconstructionalists.
> > In Christ's Service,
> >
> > Jerry McDonald
>
> (Ian) Well, Jerry, Most Christians observe Easter. I stand corrected
> where the Church of Christ is concerned. The same with the Sunday
> Sabbath. Most Christians call Sunday the Sabbath. If your church did away
> with the Sabbath according to Paul's writings, and now just celebrate the
> first day of the week as a holy day, who am I to argue? It's your belief.
> I do feel however that you are putting Paul on at least an equal footing
> with Jesus and a step or two above Yahweh.