Re: OH Pulease!

April Dorsey-Tyler (adorsey@NETUSA1.NET)
Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:22:13 -0600

I, too, went round and round with Walt Jr. on this issue, offlist. It was
his attempt to get out of justifying a statement he made that atheists were
nastier to people with faith than the reverse, and the only examples he
could find were the Stalin/Mau/Hitler one (against my examples of the Klan,
skinheads, OK bombers, abortion clinic/doctor shooters, and others.)

Aside from being unable to prove Hitler was an atheist, he was also unable
to show that the evils done by Stalin/Mau were motivated by anti-religious
feelings, and not (as was the case) by political expediency.

April

> > WALT, JR 3/31
> > >Just as the actions of Hitler and Stalin and Tung is a reminder to
people
> > >who take atheism seriously. Sorry Ralph, but your logic is really bad
> > >here. For you to connect people of faith universally with the
Heaven's
> > >Gate group is equivalent to me connecting all atheists with the likes
of
> > >Hitler and Stalin. How about we try to use our minds a little better
than
> > >that?
> > >
> > >His,
> > >Walt Jr.
>
> (Christ-Ian 3/31) Walt Jr., Not only was Hitler a Catholic, Pope Pius XII
gave
> silent approval to Hitler's plan to exterminate the Jews.
>
> As far as people of faith go, I have yet to see a Christian die as happy
as the
> Heaven's Gate group.
>
> (DAVe 3/31) Ian: How about Stalin? Can you connect him to Christianity

> too? I'm sure there is a way to do it. Can't wait to see what you come
up
> with. Oh yes, and Tung. They MUST have talked to a Christian at some
time
> - that must qualify them eh?
>
> RJV 3/31
> Dave, we didn't argue about Stalin because his beliefs on God lean
towards
> Athiesm. However, Hitler was a Xian. He called himself one, he spit out
> xian words like alot of those I see here from xians. He may not have
been
> your flavor of Xian, but he did have a belief in a higher being. THUS HE
> WAS NOT AN ATHEIST. Walt Jr's statement is an outright lie. PERIOD. It
> CONTRADICTS THE KNOWN TRUTH! No wonder you can't see an error in the
> Bible. You can't even see a contradiction concerning a known thiest.
>
> HITLER WAS NOT AN ATHEIST. HE BELIEVED IN A GOD!
>
> You can stew over the fact that he believed in some flavor of the Xian
> God, but he did have a belief. That EXCLUDES him from being an atheist.
>
> Are you inerrantists truly this dishonest with yourselves?
>
> Here we have a blatant lie from Walt Jr (an innerrantist) about Hitler
and
> Dave defending this statement, even though I have personally posted about
> Hitler at least two times in recent memory on this very topic. Come to
> think of it, I believe Walt Jr was on the list when my last posting on
> Hitler went out.
>
> -- R Jason Valentine ..ooOO miracle@procyon.com
>
> Can we say drain bamaged?
>