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> Ian 4/8
> > Don't bring up Abraham and that ridiculous story to me. A coward who pimped his
> > wife to Pharaoh and king Abimelech. An extremely rich man who sent his wifes
> > slave and his concubine along with his bastard son out of the camp with just a
> > loaf of bread and a jug of water. Another ridiculous story that has Hagar
> > tossing her big strapping seventeen year old son under a bush because she
> > didn't want to hear him cry himself to death. PLEASE!
> > (Ian 4/11) You snipped this part Dave. Now do you really believe Hagar tossed her
> 17 year old son under a shrub because she ran out of water? Tell me what you think
> of Abraham in light of the above? Maybe you can read into the bible another
> explanation. I think it is utterly ridiculous to expect anyone to believe that
> Paraoh would take a 65 year old ignorant Hebrew woman over all the young and horny
> lovlies of Egypt. Of course it goes double for King Abemelich to take an 89 year
> old woman. Then you have the nerve to ask me why I don't believe this shit?
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> > (Ian 4/8) Maybe it was only to save his own skin. Another ridiculous story at
> > best. Water 5 1/2 miles deep? Get your head out of your ass Davey Boy. It's no
> > wonder Noah took his communion so serious and got drunk. I'm not sure why Ham
> > went in his father's tent but I guess it was funny to see the old geezer passed
> > out drunk on the groung naked. So he tells his two brothers, both of whom
> > happen to be fundies and queer one's at that. So they take a blanket or
> > something and tippee toe in backwards so they wouldn't see their father's
> > nakedness and cover him up. How stupid! His tent was like his bedroom! Who the
> > hell was going to see him? And what was wrong with just telling his wife? Then
> > what happens? Noah doesn't curse Ham! Noah curses Ham's son Canaan!
> > (Ian 4/11) You snipped this part too. What's the matter Dave? Is there something
> about these parts that are so stupid and so outragious that you can't even swollow
> them?
>
> > sound legal structure - Leviticus etc;
> >
> > (Ian 4/8) Surely you jest! There's too much here for me to go through. Please
> > quote me chapter and verse.
> > Dave
>
> > hope, faith, endurance, patience, pride, comradery, faithfulness,
> > tustworthiness etc etc all abound in the first five books of the Bible.
>
> (Ian 4/11) How about murder, rape genocide, slavery, polygamy, adultery,
> dishonesty, black masses, cannabalism, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> > (Ian 4/8) Surely we have different bibles. Mine is the King James Version.
> > Which one are you reading from? I thought Jerry said he uses the KJV. If you
> > use the same one, you will have to quote me chapter and verse.
> >Dave
> > > I assume these are things you consider "good"? If not, what is "good" Ian?
> >
> > (Ian 4/8) Except for those things which I have asked you to quote chapter and
> > verse, I do not consider any of these things good.
> >
> > (Ian 4/8) As to what is good, that is your problem. I asked for values -
> > biblical or family or anything. Surely love is good. Or is it? If I loved
> > another man's wife, would that be good? I hardly think so. If a woman loved her
> > husband and he was abusive towards her, if he constantly berated her and told
> > her he was going to kill her if she didn't toe the line, would that be good?
> > Would Jerry (who is against divorce) advise her to get a divorce?
>
> (Ian 4/11) Dave you scoundrel. You snipped this part too. Come on, consider it an
> intelligence test.
> >
> > > Ian
> > > Dave wants to play games because he's not honest enough
> > > to admit this. Some of these Funda-Maniacs bring up the Big Ten but when it
> > > comes time to preach the penalties for breaking these commandments, they draw
> > > in their horns. The Saturday Sabbath somehow gets magically shit-canned by
> > > Paul and maybe by Jesus F. Christ. Somehow, all the commandments don't get
> > > shit-canned along with it. Each Funda-Maniac believes in the inerrancy of the
> > > bible but it's their interpretation of how many different bibles? Each one is
> > > too damned stupid and too damned brainwashed to see the fallicy of their
> > > positions.
> > >
> > > Even though Jesus F. Christ's first miracle was to change water to wine, they
> > > insist that alcohol is evil and that wine in those days did not contain
> > > alcohol. Of course, it does not have to but they drank wine all year long and
> > > you can't preserve wine without alcohol. Maybe Jerry hasn't thought of this
> > > yet or maybe he weasled his way out of it.
> > >
> > > (Dave 4/7) Ian: You worked on the Shuttle? No wonder they returned early
> > > - with this kind of mentality contributing. What verbal diarrhea and
> > > nonsense you spew. Alcohol is evil?
>
> Is this verbal diarrhea? How many of the Big Ten do you believe in? We have a
> Baptist judge in Alabama who is insisting on keeping the Big ten in his courtroom
> even though he "worships" on Sunday and doesn't enforce the penalties provided for
> breaking the Big Ten. And the governor is backing him up. Now they might not be
> your brand of christian but there's so many brands, one can't possibly get to know
> them all. I'll guarantee that if what I said doesn't fit you, it will damn sure fit
> some other christian.
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> > > Ian
> > > I'm not going to fall for their crap. It's their bible and their god and
> > > they're welcome to both.
> > >
> > > (DAVE 4/7) Ian: Oh how stoic you are. Well, you got me good (oh sorry I
> > > used that word again and you don't know what it means). There's nothing to
> > > fall for. You asked the question. You don't know the meanings of the words
> > > you are using in your questions. You falsely represent Christians. You
> > > form conclusions without sincere consideration. Pretty sad Ian.
> > >(Ian 4/11) Read above, this date.
> Dave
> > > By the way, I don't need your blessing to interact with "my" god thank you -
> > > he is as much mine as yours, but if you're too stupid to even consider his
> > > existence, then so be it.
> > >
> > > I would be very interested in your sincere comments on the five books of the
> > > Bible - you haven't said anything on them of any value yet. Can you get
> > > past your nonsense to discuss things constructively? Or are you intent on
> > > being dishonest in your approach to this issue, as you have been to this point?
>
> > > Dave.
>
> (Ian 4/11) Dave, you snipped about all the above ridiculous and idiotic stories I
> mentioned. Talk about being dishonest in your approach. Let's see how you do
> defending the above stories and then maybe I can take Ingersoll's, Some Mistakes of
> Moses and run that by you a little at a time. Of course, if you would prefer my,
> "Holy Moses?", I'd be more than happy to accommodate you.