Re: First Cause

Dardedar@AOL.COM
Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:28:26 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-04-17 00:04:52 EDT, you write:

TILL
How many times do you have to be told that the behavior of
matter isn't "random"?>>

<< (DAVE 4/16) Farrell: Of course it is. If I fill a bucket with
marbles and then toss it in the air, they behave in a random
fashion - where they land is ultimately chance. Yes, they are
subject to gravity, their mass, density, speed, friction, resistance
and even the kind of surface they land on - as well as the
placement in the bucket and the force I exerted to toss them.
All of these "laws" they abide by. But they had to be in the
bucket first. I put them there. I tossed them. I decided when
and where and how and even why.
Now you believe in the marbles, and in the "laws" they abide
by, but seem to dodge the issue of the bucket and its filling.
Why did your bucket empty of marbles? How did it even get
there? It just "happened? Well, it exploding just "happened"
then? And whatever "happens" as a result is sheer randomness -
there is absolutely no exterior influence at all on it. >>

DAR
But of course, there is "no exterior influence at all", well,
except for the:
"gravity, mass, density, speed, friction, resistance and even the
kind of surface they land on - as well as the placement in the
bucket and the force... exerted to toss them."

I guess Dave has finally admitted to all how he really lost his
marbles. You put any notion/s that ideas should be believed,
decided, because of evidence, in a bucket, and then toss them/it
away. This is called faith in action.

What a relief it must be. To just believe things because, well,
just because you believe them, that's why. Praise the Lard!

cheers,

Darrel

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"Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your
intellect would otherwise cause you to reject -- otherwise there's
no need for faith." --anon