RE: Some other ramblings of Walt Jr. on First Cause

Walter Nusbaum (nusbaum@iglobal.net)
Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:19:48 -0500

At 12:09 PM 4/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Walt Sr.,
>
>My silence about 2 Peter was only because it was late at night in the
living room and that is usually not the place for discussion.

It was not late. I really think you were surprised at the "revelation" and
you were not prepared to address it.(Especially in front of your mother).

>However, since you are so interested in it, we can make that our next point
of discussion, okay?

Shirley!

>Secondly, you have this notion that just because the Bible does not
address every conceivable moral dilemma, then moral absolutes must not
exist. The use of this type of logic escapes me dad. How does that make
sense? Are you honestly suggesting that the only way that moral absolutes
can exist would be for every conceivable dilemma to be addressed by the Bible?

The point was/is that your vaunted "absolute morality" does not exist in
reality and that you are at the mercy "subjective morality", just like the
rest of us normal folks.

>Thirdly, you again have backtracked on the foundation for moral absolutes.
You "borrow" from the Judeo/christian system, yet you reject the foundation
of those systems which make those virtues absolute. Once again, you fall
into logical contradictions.

Not at all. The "foundations" that you claim to be judeo/christian(which are
the laws of this country) are in fact universal in scope. With the exception
of muslim theocracies(based upon your beloved babble), all countries(xtian
or not) agree on those very same virtues of law that you claim as your own.

>Finally, as for the foundation for the invariance of the laws of logic, you
and I had a long conversation to which you agreed that only a theistic world
view best explained the invariant nature of these laws. Maybe you forgot,
if you did, then it doesn't really matter.

More cocktail talk, without the cocktails.

>Anyways, no hard feelings about anything...I just hope that you don't start
playing that little game that everyone else plays on this list (you know, if
I don't hear a response, then that means my claim was superior). I hope you
do a little reading on the issue of 2 Peter, that way we can have a fruitful
discussion about it.

I also hope you will do a little reading as well. Try: Harper's Bible
Commentary, pages
1286-89;The New Jerusalem Bible, p. 1995 & Reader's ed. of the NJB.(Thanks
Mr. Nielson).
They say FORGERY.

>By the way, would you go ahead and put your cards on the table for this
list and let us know where you stand at the present moment? Do you believe
in God? If so, then what do you conceive this being to be like?

Which cards do you want to see? Visa, MC, Discover, or what? At the present
moment, I am not standing, I'm sitting. I do NOT believe in yahweh! I have
no conception of the non-existent.

>See you soon!
GREAT!
>Walt Jr.
>
Love, Coach to christian debate team:
Dad "Okay men. Let's win one for the gapper"!