Ian 4/8
> Don't bring up Abraham and that ridiculous story to me. A coward who pimped his
> wife to Pharaoh and king Abimelech. An extremely rich man who sent his wifes
> slave and his concubine along with his bastard son out of the camp with just a
> loaf of bread and a jug of water. Another ridiculous story that has Hagar
> tossing her big strapping seventeen year old son under a bush because she
> didn't want to hear him cry himself to death. PLEASE!
> (Ian 4/11) You snipped this part Dave. Now do you really believe Hagar tossed her
17 year old son under a shrub because she ran out of water? Tell me what you think
of Abraham in light of the above? Maybe you can read into the bible another
explanation. I think it is utterly ridiculous to expect anyone to believe that
Paraoh would take a 65 year old ignorant Hebrew woman over all the young and horny
lovlies of Egypt. Of course it goes double for King Abemelich to take an 89 year
old woman. Then you have the nerve to ask me why I don't believe this shit?
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> (Ian 4/8) Maybe it was only to save his own skin. Another ridiculous story at
> best. Water 5 1/2 miles deep? Get your head out of your ass Davey Boy. It's no
> wonder Noah took his communion so serious and got drunk. I'm not sure why Ham
> went in his father's tent but I guess it was funny to see the old geezer passed
> out drunk on the groung naked. So he tells his two brothers, both of whom
> happen to be fundies and queer one's at that. So they take a blanket or
> something and tippee toe in backwards so they wouldn't see their father's
> nakedness and cover him up. How stupid! His tent was like his bedroom! Who the
> hell was going to see him? And what was wrong with just telling his wife? Then
> what happens? Noah doesn't curse Ham! Noah curses Ham's son Canaan!
> (Ian 4/11) You snipped this part too. What's the matter Dave? Is there something
about these parts that are so stupid and so outragious that you can't even swollow
them?
> sound legal structure - Leviticus etc;
>
> (Ian 4/8) Surely you jest! There's too much here for me to go through. Please
> quote me chapter and verse.
> Dave
> hope, faith, endurance, patience, pride, comradery, faithfulness,
> tustworthiness etc etc all abound in the first five books of the Bible.
(Ian 4/11) How about murder, rape genocide, slavery, polygamy, adultery,
dishonesty, black masses, cannabalism, etc. etc. etc.
>
> (Ian 4/8) Surely we have different bibles. Mine is the King James Version.
> Which one are you reading from? I thought Jerry said he uses the KJV. If you
> use the same one, you will have to quote me chapter and verse.
>
> > I assume these are things you consider "good"? If not, what is "good" Ian?
>
> (Ian 4/8) Except for those things which I have asked you to quote chapter and
> verse, I do not consider any of these things good.
>
> (Ian 4/8) As to what is good, that is your problem. I asked for values -
> biblical or family or anything. Surely love is good. Or is it? If I loved
> another man's wife, would that be good? I hardly think so. If a woman loved her
> husband and he was abusive towards her, if he constantly berated her and told
> her he was going to kill her if she didn't toe the line, would that be good?
> Would Jerry (who is against divorce) advise her to get a divorce?
(Ian 4/11) Dave you scoundrel. You snipped this part too. Come on, consider it an
intelligence test.
>
> > Ian
> > Dave wants to play games because he's not honest enough
> > to admit this. Some of these Funda-Maniacs bring up the Big Ten but when it
> > comes time to preach the penalties for breaking these commandments, they draw
> > in their horns. The Saturday Sabbath somehow gets magically shit-canned by
> > Paul and maybe by Jesus F. Christ. Somehow, all the commandments don't get
> > shit-canned along with it. Each Funda-Maniac believes in the inerrancy of the
> > bible but it's their interpretation of how many different bibles? Each one is
> > too damned stupid and too damned brainwashed to see the fallicy of their
> > positions.
> >
> > Even though Jesus F. Christ's first miracle was to change water to wine, they
> > insist that alcohol is evil and that wine in those days did not contain
> > alcohol. Of course, it does not have to but they drank wine all year long and
> > you can't preserve wine without alcohol. Maybe Jerry hasn't thought of this
> > yet or maybe he weasled his way out of it.
> >
> > (Dave 4/7) Ian: You worked on the Shuttle? No wonder they returned early
> > - with this kind of mentality contributing. What verbal diarrhea and
> > nonsense you spew. Alcohol is evil?
Is this verbal diarrhea? How many of the Big Ten do you believe in? We have a
Baptist judge in Alabama who is insisting on keeping the Big ten in his courtroom
even though he "worships" on Sunday and doesn't enforce the penalties provided for
breaking the Big Ten. And the governor is backing him up. Now they might not be
your brand of christian but there's so many brands, one can't possibly get to know
them all. I'll guarantee that if what I said doesn't fit you, it will damn sure fit
some other christian.
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> > Ian
> > I'm not going to fall for their crap. It's their bible and their god and
> > they're welcome to both.
> >
> > (DAVE 4/7) Ian: Oh how stoic you are. Well, you got me good (oh sorry I
> > used that word again and you don't know what it means). There's nothing to
> > fall for. You asked the question. You don't know the meanings of the words
> > you are using in your questions. You falsely represent Christians. You
> > form conclusions without sincere consideration. Pretty sad Ian.
> >(Ian 4/11) Read above, this date.
> > By the way, I don't need your blessing to interact with "my" god thank you -
> > he is as much mine as yours, but if you're too stupid to even consider his
> > existence, then so be it.
> >
> > I would be very interested in your sincere comments on the five books of the
> > Bible - you haven't said anything on them of any value yet. Can you get
> > past your nonsense to discuss things constructively? Or are you intent on
> > being dishonest in your approach to this issue, as you have been to this point?
> > Dave.
(Ian 4/11) Dave, you snipped about all the above ridiculous and idiotic stories I
mentioned. Talk about being dishonest in your approach. Let's see how you do
defending the above stories and then maybe I can take Ingersoll's, Some Mistakes of
Moses and run that by you a little at a time. Of course, if you would prefer my,
"Holy Moses?", I'd be more than happy to accommodate you.