Re: Devilish logic and Luke
Miracle (miracle@procyon.com)
Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:33:38 -0600 (CST)
MWF 12/3/96
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> Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of
> ourselves . . ."
>
> Christian theologians have danced around that passage for centuries.
> Rather than accepting it at its plain face meaning they have contrived all
> kinds of convuluted justifications to try and show that it refers to the
> trinity, or that its merely usage of the royal collective, or some other dodge.
>
> But the plain language implies other Gods, and a collective
> action/judgement of those gods. I see no good reason to treat it as anything
> else.
>
> Genesis 11:7 "Come, let us go down and confuse their language . . . "
>
> Exodus 18:11 "Now I know that Yahweh is greater than all the gods . . ."
>
> And to close out the Old testament for now:
>
> From Exodus chap. 20; "You shall have no gods except me . . . For I,
> Yahweh your God, am a jealous God . . ."
>
> Again, Christian theologians interpret those passages, in lengthy
> tortured languange, in accordance with their predjudices. However the
> simplest understanding that does the least violence to the text is that the
> Bible is speaking, just as it appears, of other gods IN ADDITION TO Yahweh.
> Who seemed to be pretty much co-equals.
>
> And then we can fast forward to the New Testament, to Luke 4:5 where
> after "leading him to a height" Satan then "showed him in a moment of time
> all the kingdoms of the world". Knowing now that this would have had to
> include the Incas, the Aztecs, as well as the "Old Ones" of the American
> southwest (can't remember how to spell it), and China and southeast Asia, as
> well as Japan, we can justifiably infer that this would require substantial
> supernatural powers, and then in 2 Thess 2:9-10 Satan is said to be able to
> work miracles.
>
> Thus there is substantial scriputural support, begining in the very
> first chapter of the very first book of the accepted canon that Yahweh,
> despite later glosses, is far from alone as a god in the universe.
>
> Which only leaves us with the question of just how much that is in
> the Bible can then be trusted.
>
> Is it just a work of propoganda, as Luke tried to make my analysis
> mean, or is it some kind of authentic attempt to communicate, but which has
> been subject to conflicting influences from at least two Gods?
>
> God himself changes his name from El Shaddai to Yahweh. Actual name
> change or literary conciet and an attempt to regain control of the narrative?
>
> So now to fix the problem spotted by Gareth.
>
> A9 "The Bible" is ordinary matter.
>
> A5 Ordinary matter can be manipulated by the supernatual power of Satan.
>
> C1 "The Bible" can be manipulated by the supernatural power of Satan.
>
> But we know that Satan is and active adversary of God who is
> decietful, so we can add those adjectives to the description of Satan in C1.
>
> "The Bible" can be manipulated by the supernatural power of Satan,
> who is a decietful active adversary of God.
>
> And revisiting Sun-tzu's _The Art of War_:
>
> "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle
> of excellence. Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the
> enemy's plans; next is to attack their alliances . . ."
>
> "Warfare is the Way of deception. Thus although [you are] capable,
> display incapability to them. When committed to employing your forces, feign
> inactivity. When [your objective] is nearby, make it appear as if distant;
> when far away, create the illusion of being nearyby.'
> "display profits to entice them. Create disorder [in their forces]
> and take them."
>
> So having the power, what should an adversary do who can affect the
> communications of his enemy?
RJV 12/4
And, combining this with "Biblical errancy would definately mean God does
not exist - and the reverse is true: if God does not exist, the Bible is
errant." -- Dave 11/27
If the devil did alter the bible, both would cease to exist.
-- Jason
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